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re: Yeah, right. LeBron is the greatest of all time.
Posted on 10/24/26 at 7:18 am to Obtuse1
Posted on 10/24/26 at 7:18 am to Obtuse1
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. His big advantage is he had no weaknesses to exploit
I'd like to see Jordan against modern defenses (where they can semi-double off the ball) without a 3 point shot.
I'm not saying he would do poorly or couldn't figure it out, but it would be a completely different version of Michael Jordan
Posted on 10/24/26 at 7:28 am to buckeye_vol
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since the GOAT convo is LeBron and MJ, and that's it because nobody else comes close to them.
I think the top cluster is MJ, Lebron, and Kareem
Then you get into the Jokic, Bird, Magic, Duncan, Shaq, Wilt, Curry, Russell, Hakeem, Pippen tier.
Then you get into the Barkley, Malone, Giannis, KG, Durant, Kobe, Oscar Robinson, Jerry West, Dirk, Moses Malone, Dr. J, Kahwi, Wade, Isaiah Thomas, Stockton, Nash, Baylor etc. tier
*ETA: if you want to put Pippen into tier 3 I wouldn't argue. He's the one on the border.
This post was edited on 10/24/26 at 7:33 am
Posted on 10/24/26 at 7:53 am to SlowFlowPro
You're forgetting LeBron has the maturity of a child.
These dudes would psychologically wear him down.
These dudes would psychologically wear him down.
Posted on 10/24/26 at 8:01 am to dchog
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You're forgetting LeBron has the maturity of a child.
I don't care about his offcourt persona. I am only discussing Lebron the basketball player.
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These dudes would psychologically wear him down.
They'd be trying to trash talk while he blew by them again to averaging 40/10/8 per game
Posted on 10/24/26 at 9:51 am to ReauxlTide222
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media narrative
MJ was super hyped by the media, because he was literally newsworthy
Posted on 10/24/26 at 12:42 pm to jrobic4
One of the great "what if?" tangents of this discussion involves how Michael Jordan would deal with modern media and if he would be seen the same as a player by being the villain he most certainly would be made out as by the modern media.
A lot of the brand that people still view Michael Jordan as is biased by the intentional shielding the media gave him in the '80s and '90s to protect his image so that people wouldn't know how big of a piece of shite he was.
A lot of the brand that people still view Michael Jordan as is biased by the intentional shielding the media gave him in the '80s and '90s to protect his image so that people wouldn't know how big of a piece of shite he was.
Posted on 10/24/26 at 12:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
I see your point but MJ had ice in his veins…
Posted on 10/24/26 at 12:49 pm to dukke v
Well that's a good example. There were a lot of times at the end the games where he was not clutch, but the mythology of him being clutch was built by the media that was promoting and protecting him. In a completely different environment where he would certainly be promoted as a villain and bad for sports and society, would they also promote him as a clutch person or would they focus on all the times he failed?
Posted on 10/24/26 at 1:30 pm to Upperdecker
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Regardless of personality, LeBron is no worse than #2 all time. And my many metrics he would be considered the best, though I agree he’s not tGOAT
I can’t stand Lebron on or off the court and think is a clown but he is no worse than #5 all time and likely #2.
Posted on 10/25/26 at 7:00 am to 3nOut
It's insane to me that some people legitimately think Lebron isn't that good
Posted on 10/25/26 at 8:38 am to SlowFlowPro
Not a bad assessment and I normally wouldn’t correct the mistake of calling him Robinson but it is Robertson and putting him in the same tier as Nash and even Isaiah…..
Posted on 10/25/26 at 9:28 am to Geekboy
Tom Brady age 38-45. 3 super bowls
Tiger woods, age 43 wins masters.
Lionel Messi, age 38 World Cup final
Dale Earnhardt age 43 wins #7
LeBron James age 38-41, 4 playoff appearances.
Michael Jordan age 38-40. Zero playoff appearances.
Tiger woods, age 43 wins masters.
Lionel Messi, age 38 World Cup final
Dale Earnhardt age 43 wins #7
LeBron James age 38-41, 4 playoff appearances.
Michael Jordan age 38-40. Zero playoff appearances.
Posted on 10/25/26 at 9:43 am to Ham And Glass
LeBron isn't even the greatest of his era
And all the flops should disqualify him as the greatest of anything, much less the GOAT conversation.
And all the flops should disqualify him as the greatest of anything, much less the GOAT conversation.
Posted on 10/25/26 at 9:51 am to Upperdecker
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Regardless of personality, LeBron is no worse than #2 all time. And my many metrics he would be considered the best, though I agree he’s not tGOAT
exactly....
anyone saying he's not even close, he's any less than what you just said, etc, is just exposing their own personal bias towards him...
he has become quite annoying and indefensible on some issues/topics, but if we are talking about where he stands, in terms of basketball history, and purely basketball, then he's for sure no lower than #2 all time
Posted on 10/25/26 at 9:52 am to dchog
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The 80s/90s was more brutal defensively than today.
5'3" Spud Webb played 12 seasons during this exact time period, but LeBron wouldn't survive. Got it
Posted on 10/25/26 at 9:52 am to Marktastic86
Posted on 10/25/26 at 9:57 am to CONNECTICUTTIGER
Have you guarded a midget before?
Posted on 10/25/26 at 8:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Jordan would adapt and overcome. Early in his career he had to learn many different lessons. He couldn’t get past those pistons so he changed the way he developed and prepared. That’s what the real separation is, the killer instinct and will to win.
I'd like to see Jordan against modern defenses (where they can semi-double off the ball) without a 3 point shot. I'm not saying he would do poorly or couldn't figure it out, but it would be a completely different version of Michael Jordan
Posted on 10/25/26 at 9:12 pm to Ham And Glass
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Not a bad assessment and I normally wouldn’t correct the mistake of calling him Robinson but it is Robertson
That's actually a missed comma and 2 players, Oscar Robertson and David Robinson.
Posted on 10/25/26 at 9:13 pm to dchog
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Have you guarded a midget before?
Who was that midget guarding, I think was the point
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