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WP: Prehistoric college football coaches are killing players
Posted on 8/21/18 at 9:18 am
Posted on 8/21/18 at 9:18 am
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I know everyone here loves the Washington Post, but that stat about how many college players have died in the last 17 years is pretty eye opening.
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Heatstroke didn’t kill Jordan McNair, the berserk excesses of coach DJ Durkin and his staff did. No amount of “honoring” McNair can pretty up that fact. The investigation into what Maryland did wrong after McNair collapsed is misplaced. It’s what came first — the deranged college coaching mentality that drove McNair to the staggering point — that requires full inquiry, and no one should be allowed to forget it.
An NFL player hasn’t died from heat exertion in 17 years. That’s the full measure of the crude, knuckle-dragging stupidity at work here. You know how many kids NCAA football coaches have killed with conditioning drills in that same period? Twenty-seven. I say “kill,” because that’s what it is, when tyrants force captive young men to run themselves to death, out of their own outdated fears of weakness. Why is the NCAA tolerating this kill rate, which is unmatched at any other level of football?
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University of Oklahoma trainer Scott Anderson has a term for this idiotic and outmoded brand of collegiate workout: “irrational intensity.”
Anderson wrote a 2017 academic paper entitled, “NCAA Football Off-Season Training: Unanswered Prayers,” that documents the stunning kill rate in the college game.
“Collegiate football’s dirty little secret is that we are killing our players — not in competition, almost never in practice, and rarely because of trauma — but primarily because of non-traumatic causes in the off-season alleged to performance enhance,” he wrote.
Anderson cites the example of a player who died from exertion-induced asthma, after being forced to run 2,160 yards of serial sprints in just 12 minutes, with a 1:1 work-to-rest ratio. You know what the work-to-rest ratio in an actual football game is? Somewhere between 1:8 and 1:10. Even in a hurry-up offense, it’s 1:4.
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...there is no NCAA rule restricting conditioning workouts or mandating independent medical care and monitoring for student-athletes. Maryland’s president Wallace Loh declined to implement just such a proposal. So, McNair was left to lurch and pant into the hands of athletic department employees who answer not to a medical center but to a hopped-up, impatient-for-success head coach. If McNair had independent care, someone would have taken his temperature, and iced him down, and he would be alive. Instead what he got was a trainer screaming, “Drag his arse across the field!”
I know everyone here loves the Washington Post, but that stat about how many college players have died in the last 17 years is pretty eye opening.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 9:20 am to sicboy
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An NFL player hasn’t died from heat exertion in 17 years
They also tear way more ACLs and achillies. Not that some coaches aren't over the top, but not practicing has had a dramatic effect on injuries in the NFL, too
Posted on 8/21/18 at 9:26 am to sicboy
2100 yards on 12 minutes?
Oh the humanity!
Oh the humanity!
Posted on 8/21/18 at 9:28 am to sicboy
This isn't a joke, it's a serious question. How did this not happen at a much higher rate in the '50's-'70's when conditioning was equally or much more harsh than it is now? Water was withheld, you puked and got right back out there, players were run until they passed out.
Today's athletes are supposed to be in superior condition, yet so many more seem to die now than then. Why?
Bear Bryant wouldn't make it through one season today.
Today's athletes are supposed to be in superior condition, yet so many more seem to die now than then. Why?
Bear Bryant wouldn't make it through one season today.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 9:32 am to sicboy
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I know everyone here loves the Washington Post, but that stat about how many college players have died in the last 17 years is pretty eye opening.
There are at least 150 collegiate football programs nationwide with 80 or so players. Little disingenuous to compare it to a professional league with 32?
This post was edited on 8/21/18 at 9:34 am
Posted on 8/21/18 at 9:42 am to sicboy
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Heatstroke didn’t kill Jordan McNair, the berserk excesses of coach DJ Durkin and his staff did.
Lawyer up.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 9:44 am to High C
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This isn't a joke, it's a serious question. How did this not happen at a much higher rate in the '50's-'70's when conditioning was equally or much more harsh than it is now? Water was withheld, you puked and got right back out there, players were run until they passed out.
People died then, too. It was more tolerated as coming wit the territory. It does seem more prevalent now. Whether actually true or a function of the 24 hr news cycle IDK.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 9:48 am to High C
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How did this not happen at a much higher rate in the '50's-'70's when conditioning was equally or much more harsh than it is now? Water was withheld, you puked and got right back out there, players were run until they passed out.
The conditioning and practice regimes of today are so much more intense in college than they were in the 1950's and 1960's. Also the players were different physically. I wonder the size/position of the kids that have died as a result of heat stroke/exhaustion.
My dad's cousin played for Tulane back in the mid to late 1970's and he has always said that the off season stuff of today is very much different from when he was playing.They used to have time off and really did not get into full condition until somewhere around the 2nd or 3rd game of the season. During the summer they might go to the weight room 2-3 days a week and lift for about and hour or so, maybe they might run some laps, etc. . The Spring game and practice was not as intense as it is now. The linemen on both sides of the ball were not nearly as big as they are today. That has to take a toll
It's probably a case of over conditioning coupled with some other factors
Personally, I would rather my kid have a torn ACL than almost dying because some guys who don't do the conditioning programs are so caught up in making a name for themselves as coaches that they try to kill these kids with windsprints, etc
Posted on 8/21/18 at 9:51 am to High C
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This isn't a joke, it's a serious question. How did this not happen at a much higher rate in the '50's-'70's when conditioning was equally or much more harsh than it is now? Water was withheld, you puked and got right back out there, players were run until they passed out.
I'm sure there were some but it could be the supplements players are taking or it could be the size of the players. Probably wasn't that many players that weighed over 300LBS back then.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 9:52 am to High C
quote:Just a guess, but I imagine with the money and just how much bigger CFB is now, players are being pushed more and more compared to back then. Seems logical as there's way more on the line now.
This isn't a joke, it's a serious question. How did this not happen at a much higher rate in the '50's-'70's when conditioning was equally or much more harsh than it is now? Water was withheld, you puked and got right back out there, players were run until they passed out.
Today's athletes are supposed to be in superior condition, yet so many more seem to die now than then. Why?
Bear Bryant wouldn't make it through one season today.
I'd also wonder if that is actually even correct, that less people died back then? Maybe, but I don't know. I also didn't read the article, so I don't know if they addressed it there, just a disclaimer in case it was.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 9:53 am to jangalang
quote:Sure, but does that discrepancy sufficiently explain 27 vs 0?
There are at least 150 collegiate football programs nationwide with 80 or so players. Little disingenuous to compare it to a professional league with 32?
Posted on 8/21/18 at 9:53 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:College athletes are dying...DRAMA QUEEN!!!!
What a drama queen
Posted on 8/21/18 at 9:53 am to TigerNlc
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players that weighed over 300LBS
I'll wager that most of the deaths in college football due to too much conditioning were kids in the 300lb or over range
Posted on 8/21/18 at 9:54 am to High C
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How did this not happen at a much higher rate in the '50's-'70's when conditioning was equally or much more harsh than it is now?
many theories. i believe in air conditioning being the answer
our bodies are weak and never develop proper responses to the heat outside so when you have kids outside in the hottest time of the year exerting themselves to exhaustion, the body isn't prepared
Posted on 8/21/18 at 9:54 am to KiwiHead
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The conditioning and practice regimes of today are so much more intense in college than they were in the 1950's and 1960's.
And when you combine that with some idiot meathead who is only interested in one upping what he's seen before without regard to the actual people he's coaching you end up with guys dying or getting rhabdomyolysis. Not all of them have advanced degrees like the guy they cited from Oklahoma.
Some of them are just juiced up retards.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 9:59 am to shel311
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Sure, but does that discrepancy sufficiently explain 27 vs 0?
i am curious about the stats, especially b/c the author changed the standards mid-sentence:
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An NFL player hasn’t died from heat exertion in 17 years. That’s the full measure of the crude, knuckle-dragging stupidity at work here. You know how many kids NCAA football coaches have killed with conditioning drills in that same period? Twenty-seven
"heat exhaustion" is a specific issue
"killed with conditioning drills" is something entirely different. i'm curious what those kids died of
i have a feeling they're including kids who died during conditioning when they had undiagnosed issues (especially heart issues)
for example, is this kid included?
Posted on 8/21/18 at 10:00 am to SlowFlowPro
I think i found it
33-6 = 27
off to read this
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According to Anderson’s research, 33 NCAA football players died playing the sport between 2000 and 2016, an average of two per season. Six of those deaths were traumatic, the result of injuries caused by collisions. The rest were non-traumatic, the result of intense exercise. All but one of the non-traumatic deaths occurred during the offseason.
33-6 = 27
off to read this
Posted on 8/21/18 at 10:05 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Seems pretty damning, especially when the NFL is at 0, assuming that's correct.
The rest were non-traumatic, the result of intense exercise. All but one of the non-traumatic deaths occurred during the offseason.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 10:07 am to shel311
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Sure, but does that discrepancy sufficiently explain 27 vs 0?
Pre draft physicals is that difference.
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