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re: Worst coaching moves in college football history
Posted on 4/5/20 at 3:23 pm to Bestbank Tiger
Posted on 4/5/20 at 3:23 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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Ty Willingham to Notre Dame
Great opportunity for him. Terrible decision by the program.
Posted on 4/5/20 at 3:24 pm to WestCoastAg
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I mean its obviously willie taggart or Charlie strong
Again, I thought the premise by the OP was "what the hell was the coach thinking taking that job?" not "damn what a terrible hire by the school". History is filled with terrible hires.
Willingham, Taggart, and Charlie Strong all jumped to blue bloods
Posted on 4/5/20 at 3:29 pm to boston vol
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Mike Riley going to Nebraska
He had hit the end of the road at Oregon State, terrible funding, they were getting stomped by Oregon, he got out of that shitty situation and somehow landed at NEBRASKA. Again, yall are putting up situations where a coach jumped to a much better job"
Posted on 4/5/20 at 3:39 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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June Jones going to SMU
June Jones made $2m a year for 7 seasons at SMU and he didn't even pretend to try his last 3 years after he lost the Arizona State gig.
The real mistake was SMU letting him come crawling back after he had already taken off on a jet to accept the job in Tempe.
This post was edited on 4/6/20 at 1:04 am
Posted on 4/5/20 at 3:49 pm to Bags of Milk
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Probably more indicative of something going on in Wisconsin than poor moves by coaches
On the side of Gary Andersen, the cultural fit was never there. He, explicitly, left because of Wisconsin admissions. Dude couldn't get JUCO or high-risk academic kids into school. The most-notable was Jordan Stevenson, a four-star RB that committed under Andersen and, when Paul Chryst arrived, was denied admission. He ended up at Nebraska, but no-longer with their program.
Wisconsin is one of the few programs that requires more core credits than other universities. Kids must move through NCAA clearinghouse and University admissions. Though University admissions relaxes criteria, it's more-difficult than some would imagine.
In all, Gary Andersen was a coach that was never accepted by Madison, and vice-versa. He needed to get back to the west coast, which is where he is today.
Bret Bielema is a bit more-complex. Not only did he feel he could win Championships in the SEC, which is valid, but not at Arkansas, but the bigger issue was assistant pay at Wisconsin. For the most part, this has been rectified since those times - Jim Leonhard made near $1M last season, for example.
The aforementioned have their own set of values when building a program. If you follow that, sure... something is "going on in Wisconsin." When looking at this at a micro-level, though, they were poor coaching decisions.
That said, thank the fricking Lord that Andersen left. Having Paul Chryst back home is a Godsend.
This post was edited on 4/5/20 at 6:11 pm
Posted on 4/5/20 at 3:54 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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Yeah I think Wisconsin has proven that it is content playing old school football. Will they ever win a national title? Honestly probably not but their offense is so ancient it’s almost like the option
Do you watch Wisconsin? Paul Chryst has always adapted to his personnel. The Badgers had just one TE with playing experience in 2019 due to injuries. Really limited Chryst's ability to stack the line and utilize a FB. His staff, instead, leaned on four experienced WRs, all of whom are/were great blockers. Moving into the shotgun made Wisconsin very difficult to defend - Jack Coan could make quick decisions and Jonathan Taylor utilized already-excellent vision.
Sure, Wisconsin is still predicated on a pro-style offense, but did anyone not watch the B1G Championship game? Coan was, literally, running RPO with four WRs.
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Which puts them at 8-10 wins every year and the fans and faculty are both good with thag
Since Chryst became coach, there are just four programs (Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Oklahoma) with more wins than Wisconsin. You better fricking believe we're clamoring for more.
This post was edited on 4/5/20 at 6:10 pm
Posted on 4/5/20 at 4:10 pm to Jb1994
Kansas firing Mangino was a death sentence for the program.
Sure, he’s a prick. He chewed kids out, and allegedly flossed his arse with a towel after shitting and made grad assts dispose of them.
But he won, and damn near took Kansas to the fricking National Championship Game.
ETA: not a dumb move by the coach, but a wtf by admin.
Sure, he’s a prick. He chewed kids out, and allegedly flossed his arse with a towel after shitting and made grad assts dispose of them.
But he won, and damn near took Kansas to the fricking National Championship Game.
ETA: not a dumb move by the coach, but a wtf by admin.
This post was edited on 4/5/20 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 4/5/20 at 4:34 pm to Hook Em Horns
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Charlie strong at texas. Jesus.
One good year at Louisville does not a Power 5 coach make.
And Mack Brown ends up returning to North Carolina, nearly upset Clemson in his first year.
Posted on 4/5/20 at 4:42 pm to Quidam65
He had more than 1 good year at Louisville. Regardless he had it made here. Fans loved him, overwhelming support from the AD, paid very very well and moving into the ACC. He was coming off back to back bowl wins over Florida and Miami. Yes I understand the allure of Texas, but he had it pretty damn good here.
Posted on 4/5/20 at 4:46 pm to hoopsgalore
Arkansas was just a season removed from finishing #5 in the country before Bielema got there, so in retrospect the move looked a lot better than it does now. Hell the John L. Smith year there were some analysts picking us as a darkhorse national title contender
Doesn’t look like the right move now but at the time he left for better pay and better recruiting (which he got on paper, but also faced better competition in the SEC). And he leveraged a big buyout into a cushy NFL job.
Doesn’t look like the right move now but at the time he left for better pay and better recruiting (which he got on paper, but also faced better competition in the SEC). And he leveraged a big buyout into a cushy NFL job.
Posted on 4/5/20 at 4:54 pm to Jb1994
Butch Davis to Cleveland in 2001. Gave Larry Coker a national championship. Should've been another U dynasty. They got screwed in 2000 by the BCS, and then screwed in OT of the Fiesta bowl National championship game in 02' season. I vividly remember talking to Vince Wilforks family and others during the Brock Berlin 1st start season opener in his hometown vs La. Tech game in 03'. As I was leaving, I told them we'd (LSU) see them in New Orleans for the Sugar bowl at seasons end. They thought that was hilarious. I got the last laugh.
Posted on 4/5/20 at 5:12 pm to Cannon
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Brock Berlin
Now that’s a name I haven’t heard in a very long time
Posted on 4/5/20 at 5:20 pm to TexasTiger08
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Kansas firing Mangino was a death sentence for the program.
Sure, he’s a prick. He chewed kids out, and allegedly flossed his arse with a towel after shitting and made grad assts dispose of them.
But he won, and damn near took Kansas to the fricking National Championship Game.
ETA: not a dumb move by the coach, but a wtf by admin.
I think it's easy to make this case now considering how terrible KU has been since he left, but the pattern of him being a world-class a-hole to not only players, but the whole university community, is hard for any administration to keep turning a blind eye to.
There's a reason why his firing was effectively a death sentence for his career, too. Even winning at Kansas wasn't enough for another program to take a chance on him.
In the same boat, Jim Leavitt built USF's program from scratch and won a lot of games, but the admin discovered he was trying to get players and staff to change their stories regarding him allegedly hitting a player. Winning isn't always a get out of jail free card.
Posted on 4/5/20 at 6:42 pm to hoopsgalore
Bielema just needed to try to make it on his own with a new wife. I am sure that had as much to do with it as anything.
Worst coaching hire was Wisconsin taking Don Morton in 1987. He tried to run the veer option at UW by taking 3rd tier Texas recruits. 6 wins in 3 years and his last game at Camp Randall was the definition of social distancing as only about 20k were there.
Enter Barry Alvarez. And now over the last 25 years plus only a couple of programs have won more often than Bucky.
Worst coaching hire was Wisconsin taking Don Morton in 1987. He tried to run the veer option at UW by taking 3rd tier Texas recruits. 6 wins in 3 years and his last game at Camp Randall was the definition of social distancing as only about 20k were there.
Enter Barry Alvarez. And now over the last 25 years plus only a couple of programs have won more often than Bucky.
Posted on 4/5/20 at 6:47 pm to hoopsgalore
Chryst has done a pretty damn good job there
Posted on 4/5/20 at 7:02 pm to Cannon
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Butch Davis to Cleveland in 2001.
+1. Miami could've been a dynasty with butch. They probably win at least 2 more titles if he stays.
Posted on 4/5/20 at 8:04 pm to RLDSC FAN
Paul "Bear" Bryant, a native of Fordyce, Arkansas, was essentially hired and on his way to be the head coach for the Razorbacks football program. His home state school had already missed on him as a player because Alabama had raided the state for years for the likes of Don Hutson and others.
The date of Bryant s hiring as HC... Dec. 7, 1941.
The next day, Bryant enlists in the Army, and never steps foot on campus as the Arkansas head coach.
Now that friends, is just one of the countless examples of why those in the Natural State say we have a cursed program.
Excerpt from a 1979 interview with Bryant:
The date of Bryant s hiring as HC... Dec. 7, 1941.
The next day, Bryant enlists in the Army, and never steps foot on campus as the Arkansas head coach.
Now that friends, is just one of the countless examples of why those in the Natural State say we have a cursed program.
Excerpt from a 1979 interview with Bryant:
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On my way back to Vanderbilt I knew the job was mine. That was the indication I had. I was 28 years old and couldn’t have been more filled with myself. I wanted to be a head coach, and Arkansas was my home. This was Sunday, December 7. The announcement came over the radio while I was driving into Nashville that Japanese warplanes had bombed Pearl Harbor.
"About all I had time to do when I got home was kiss Mary Harmon hello and good-bye. The next day I was in Washington, D.C., and shortly after I was in the U.S. Navy.”
Posted on 4/6/20 at 8:40 am to Jb1994
Nebraska hiring Bill Callahan
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