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re: "Why the College Football Playoff system isn’t working"
Posted on 11/23/22 at 1:12 pm to WG_Dawg
Posted on 11/23/22 at 1:12 pm to WG_Dawg
Valid, we just have different perspectives on cause and effect. Did the players/society force the playoff or did the playoffs force the behavior we see from players/society
I miss the BCS but am looking forward to the expansion experiment
I miss the BCS but am looking forward to the expansion experiment
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Posted on 11/23/22 at 1:13 pm to UnluckyTiger
I remember when Seattle and Washington made the playoff with losing records, too.
Posted on 11/23/22 at 1:17 pm to Eighteen
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we just have different perspectives on cause and effect. Did the players/society force the playoff or did the playoffs force the behavior we see from players/society
the playoffs were created out of necessity when it was obvious that you REGULARLY have more than a measly two teams that had done enough over 13 weeks to have a case for title contention. I think the playoffs were born out of common sense thinking more than anything else.
As for the behavior we see todya, again that's strictly a generational/societal issue. I mean, what's the difference in these 2 statements:
A) If you don't finish in the top 2 to play for teh BCS title game, you have no title shot and have to go to some assigned bowl
B) If you don't finish int eh top 4 to go to the playoffs, you have no title shot and have to go to some assigned bowl
There is literally no difference. yet int eh past playing in the sugar bowl or the orange bowl was a HUGE damn deal whereas now it isn't. It's because with "opt outs", instant transfers wiht no repercussions, NIL, etc. we live in ssuch a spoiled entitlted generation with teenagers that have grown up their entire lives with instant gratification that now if you aren't the champion you've basically got nothing left to give any effort for. That has zero to do with the playoff format.
Posted on 11/23/22 at 1:17 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
The current system is vastly superior to what we had before it.
Posted on 11/23/22 at 1:23 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Posted on 11/23/22 at 1:25 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
So the answer is to throw all the conference champs in and then give the committee two more spots than they have now to put whoever they want in?
This isn’t going to go how Klatt and the other anti-SEC people want it to go.
This isn’t going to go how Klatt and the other anti-SEC people want it to go.
This post was edited on 11/23/22 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 11/23/22 at 1:25 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Eye test.
USC has zero defense and Clempson is so obviously sub-par it makes me think this guy knows less than nothing about the game itself...
USC has zero defense and Clempson is so obviously sub-par it makes me think this guy knows less than nothing about the game itself...
Posted on 11/23/22 at 1:26 pm to Jake88
I really don’t understand what people want or think would be so much better? It’s not pro sports where you only have 30 teams and can just take the ones with the best record. Even the 68 team basketball tournament has a committee that picks teams.
As an LSU fan I have no problem with people saying USC should be ranked higher especially if both win out. LSU would have 2 better wins but the size Tennessee loss should be considered. If they win out USC should definitely be ahead of the tOSU-UM loser.
As an LSU fan I have no problem with people saying USC should be ranked higher especially if both win out. LSU would have 2 better wins but the size Tennessee loss should be considered. If they win out USC should definitely be ahead of the tOSU-UM loser.
Posted on 11/23/22 at 1:26 pm to Jake88
It’s a dumb, unripe argument. I get why he has to make it - it’s his job, but, again, it’s a waste of time. Do you know why?
All the games have not been played.
LSU still has to face Texas A&M and Georgia. A hefty feat.
USC still has to face Notre Dame and Oregon. A hefty feat.
TCU still has to face Iowa State and Kansas State or Texas. For TCU, that’s a hefty feat.
In sum, the released rankings don’t matter. There are meaningful games to be played. Teams will lose. The rankings will change, and it’ll work itself out (See Tennessee-South Carolina).
All the games have not been played.
LSU still has to face Texas A&M and Georgia. A hefty feat.
USC still has to face Notre Dame and Oregon. A hefty feat.
TCU still has to face Iowa State and Kansas State or Texas. For TCU, that’s a hefty feat.
In sum, the released rankings don’t matter. There are meaningful games to be played. Teams will lose. The rankings will change, and it’ll work itself out (See Tennessee-South Carolina).
This post was edited on 11/23/22 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 11/23/22 at 1:27 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Ok Joel, humans got it wrong. Let's use computers instead...
Oh wait USC is ranked outside of the top 10
Oh wait USC is ranked outside of the top 10
Posted on 11/23/22 at 1:35 pm to Tigertown in ATL
quote:He is making a conclusive statement with incomplete information. Hell USC could be ahead of LSU as early as next week for all he knows
He’s making a rational statement regardless of the SEC bias here.
I am not even that big of a playoff fan, but NCAA football is probably the best of any major sport at getting a champion that is actually the best team. He is bitching about LSU and USC current status and not their final status and calling the system a failure based on undetermined outcomes, when in the end the best team in the country is likely going to end up winning the whole damn thing anyway. The committee's job is not to make sure they are perfect on a week to week basis, it is to make sure the final ranking is as best as it can be when all is said and done. He does not know what that final ranking is but has already deemed it a failure
This post was edited on 11/23/22 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 11/23/22 at 1:37 pm to WG_Dawg
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When has an SEC team gotten any type of benefit of the doubt?
See Alabama. At least twice.
Posted on 11/23/22 at 1:38 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
"Alabama's played 8 Power 5 opponents this year, in those 8 games, 5 of those have been 1-score games...in those 1-score games they are 3-2."
"This version of Alabama is not 2020 (where they had 1 game that was a 1-score game) but the Committee is acting like it."
"And we're treating every team that beats Alabama this year as if they're the Joe Burrow LSU team."
"And they shouldn't. Preconceived bias is hurting the rankings currently."
Posted on 11/23/22 at 1:39 pm to Tigertown in ATL
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See Alabama. At least twice.
don't be vague, give us specifics. Prove your point.
In 2017 the next ranked team they were in contention with had 2 losses, including the most embarrassing loss of the season. if you want to go to the 6th ranked team instead, they had a similar record but were also a non-champion and had lesser wins and thereby a lesser resume.
I fail to see any year that could even constitute a second flimsy example.
Posted on 11/23/22 at 1:40 pm to ThePoo
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He is making a conclusive statement with incomplete information.
Bingo.
Posted on 11/23/22 at 1:41 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
no team is going to make or not make the palyofs this year basd on whether they beat or lost to alabama. So not sure what any of those quotes ahve to do with anything.
The only teams they would ahve slight relevance towards are UT and LSU. UT is completely gone and irrelevant. LSU is either going to:
1) Lose the SECCG and be out with 3 losses
2) Win the SECCG and be out of the playoffs with 2 losses becuase there are 4 other P5 champions wiht better reocrds
3) Win the SECC and make the playoffs on the back of just beating the undefeated #1 defending champs
Alabama truly doesn't factor into the playoff decision this year at all
The only teams they would ahve slight relevance towards are UT and LSU. UT is completely gone and irrelevant. LSU is either going to:
1) Lose the SECCG and be out with 3 losses
2) Win the SECCG and be out of the playoffs with 2 losses becuase there are 4 other P5 champions wiht better reocrds
3) Win the SECC and make the playoffs on the back of just beating the undefeated #1 defending champs
Alabama truly doesn't factor into the playoff decision this year at all
Posted on 11/23/22 at 1:42 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
It's hard for me to take this seriously when I know he wouldn't be making the same case if Oregon State was in USC's shoes. If you want to talk bias, talk ALL the bias. The USC brand bias is exactly the same as Bama.
LSU did beat Arky by 3... USC has one possession wins over Arizona and Cal
LSU did play UAB while USC played UCLA.... USC played Rice the week LSU lost to Florida State.
He's just as bad as the committee. Cherry picking points to make his biased argument.
LSU did beat Arky by 3... USC has one possession wins over Arizona and Cal
LSU did play UAB while USC played UCLA.... USC played Rice the week LSU lost to Florida State.
He's just as bad as the committee. Cherry picking points to make his biased argument.
Posted on 11/23/22 at 1:49 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Why don't you and Joe go bitch to the media and the coaches as well since both of them have LSU at #6?
Hell, even the BCS simulator has LSU at #6.
Maybe everyone bitching about LSU just doesn't know what they are talking about.
Hell, even the BCS simulator has LSU at #6.
Maybe everyone bitching about LSU just doesn't know what they are talking about.
Posted on 11/23/22 at 1:49 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Klatt not a fan of the Committee's lack of due diligence.
Let me guess. This is going to be about how Ohio st has clearly received the most preferential treatment from the committee since its inception, right?
Posted on 11/23/22 at 2:27 pm to WG_Dawg
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don't be vague, give us specifics. Prove your point.
Bite me. I’m just mad and can be irrational if I want.
:wink:
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