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re: Why doesnt Paddy Pimblett get a shot at the title?
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:05 am to subotic
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:05 am to subotic
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It's obvious why they didn't like the move. Topuria beat Volk and Holloway then claimed he "did all he could" at 145 and pressed Dana to move to lightweight.
One title defense...
So instead of actually clearing out the division and building up even more hype for a potential superfight down the road, Topuria decides he is entitled to an immediate title fight with Islam. At this point, I hope it happens just to watch Topuria get disassembled by Islam.
yeah I agree. not to mention 145 really doesnt have any stars when you consider at the time it looked like volk was done, and max is on his way out while 155 is still stacked.
But yes I agree, I think topuria will get wrecked by islam. if somehow topuria wins ill gladly admit he is one of the best to ever do it.
This post was edited on 4/21/25 at 8:06 am
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Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:25 am to ronricks
Roberto Duran was a bit of a freak of nature. The guy started his pro career just under 120 lbs. in 4 of his first 5 fights and by the end of his career, he had fought as high as 176 lbs.
As a lightweight, Duran had no equal and it wasn't until he started fighting in higher weights that he started losing fights. He just outkicked his coverage late in his career by aging, yo-yoing up and down in weight and fighting in a bunch of wars with opponents.
As a lightweight, Duran had no equal and it wasn't until he started fighting in higher weights that he started losing fights. He just outkicked his coverage late in his career by aging, yo-yoing up and down in weight and fighting in a bunch of wars with opponents.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:46 am to ronricks
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Every fighter who isn't a Heavyweight re-hydrates after the weigh in but not by 48 fricking pounds overnight
Pereira was fighting at like ,220 at 185. DPP same thing. Almost all 155ers walk at 185 plus. Paddy was definitely getting way overweight a couple of years ago, but the last 18 months or so he’s kept he’s weight in check.
It just goes all straight back to his face so he looks terrible after being that lean
Posted on 4/21/25 at 9:20 am to ronricks
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Every fighter who isn't a Heavyweight re-hydrates after the weigh in but not by 48 fricking pounds overnight
I was just trying to get an idea of what the true weight gain was for Paddy.
If he normally walks around at 185 lbs (Paddy claims to have never gotten over 200 lbs), then he didn't really "gain" 42 lbs and "gained" 13 lbs to get to the 196 being reported.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 9:30 am to JamalMurry27
I'm a Chandler fan but beating Chandler is not that impressive anymore. Much less something that should get you a title fight. He'll probably need at least two more top 10 wins to deserve that shot. Charisma should have nothing to do with it.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 9:45 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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of Islam and topori
Ill admit, Paddy performed great against Chandler but come on lol
Islam might accidentally kill Paddy if they fought.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 10:38 am to ronricks
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And he ruined himself. Same with Arturo Gatti and many many others.
I can't say Duran ruined himself. The guy was a multiple division World Champion but as he got older and found it harder to lose the weight, he fought in divisions he had no business being in and that is where the losses started to mount up.
As for Gatti, I loved watching him fight because he was a no-nonsense guy who went bell to bell trying to KO his opponents. His problem was he just wasn't an elite fighter and faltered against the top at the time.
His three fights against Mickey Ward are classics in my opinion and they did what few fighters will do today in fighting a trilogy. They do have a few that will go that route, but most don't want no part of it in today's boxing world. They seem too busy trying to protect that "0" in the loss column.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 10:42 am to gumbo2176
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I can't say Duran ruined himself. The guy was a multiple division World Champion but as he got older and found it harder to lose the weight
He couldn't lose the weight because he kept getting so fat and out of shape between fights which necessitated the jump up in weight classes in order to make weight. The Hearns KO was savage Duran had no business being in that fight.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 10:56 am to gumbo2176
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I can't say Duran ruined himself. The guy was a multiple division World Champion but as he got older and found it harder to lose the weight, he fought in divisions he had no business being in and that is where the losses started to mount up.
My counter to this, and where I wish boxing would emulate UFC, would be to cut out so many of the freaking weight classes. It would do boxing a lot of favors if they didn't have 100 weight classes and 5000 different belts.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 11:05 am to iwyLSUiwy
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My counter to this, and where I wish boxing would emulate UFC, would be to cut out so many of the freaking weight classes. It would do boxing a lot of favors if they didn't have 100 weight classes and 5000 different belts.
This has been a gripe of mine for many years. When I first became a boxing fan when my age was still single digits, there were 8 weight divisions in boxing. Now, there's 17, some separated by no more than 3-4 lbs. difference.
And like you've mentioned, far too many sanctioning bodies with their own "Champions" with the different bodies playing politics to jockey their fighters around real hard fights.
I've said it many times that I miss the days when guys like Hagler, Hearns, Duran, Leonard, Ali, Holmes, Norton, Foreman, etc. were fighting. They took on all comers and let the chips fall where they may.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 2:16 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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My counter to this, and where I wish boxing would emulate UFC, would be to cut out so many of the freaking weight classes.
I feel like we're at a pretty sweet spot with the number of UFC divisions. Gives of just enough title fights to get excited about in a given year. Except heavyweight. I almost wish heavyweight could be capped at around 250-255, though.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 3:03 pm to shutterspeed
I wouldn’t mind ufc doing away with 170 and doing 165 and 175. Imo that’s a good sweet spot. I would think there is a lot more fighters that fall into that area of weight across the world and probably why 155 and 170 have been the most stacked divisions.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 3:30 pm to shutterspeed
I think in a perfect world we would have a class between LHW and HW...problem is the lack of talent/depth in the HW division.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 5:07 pm to JamalMurry27
Paddy should fight Gaethje.
Islam vs Topuria is the biggest fight they can make at 155 right now, Dana likes money, just make Islam take it. What are they gonna do, give the shot to Arman again? If you think Dana is pissed at Topuria, who do you think he’s more pissed at? The guy who dropped out of a title fight the day of.
Islam vs Topuria, Arman vs Charles, Gaethje vs Paddy
Islam vs Topuria is the biggest fight they can make at 155 right now, Dana likes money, just make Islam take it. What are they gonna do, give the shot to Arman again? If you think Dana is pissed at Topuria, who do you think he’s more pissed at? The guy who dropped out of a title fight the day of.
Islam vs Topuria, Arman vs Charles, Gaethje vs Paddy
Posted on 4/21/25 at 7:21 pm to Epic Cajun
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Paddy should fight Gaethje.
Am I crazy for thinking this is kind of just chandler 2.0 at this point? He’s probably a little better than chandler, but he’s 35, and got pieced up and then dropped by Holloway. Paddy looked huge against chandler and I assume if he can’t knock Gaethje out, he could take him down and possibly submit him or at most just control the fight on the ground.
I don’t know, someone could convince me otherwise, but I was impressed with Paddy the last couple of fights, and like I said, he looked pretty damn big in there for 155
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:02 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
I would never underestimate Justin gaethje. he is a way more tactical fighter than chandler.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:58 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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Am I crazy for thinking this is kind of just chandler 2.0 at this point? He’s probably a little better than chandler, but he’s 35, and got pieced up and then dropped by Holloway. Paddy looked huge against chandler and I assume if he can’t knock Gaethje out, he could take him down and possibly submit him or at most just control the fight on the ground.
I don’t know, someone could convince me otherwise, but I was impressed with Paddy the last couple of fights, and like I said, he looked pretty damn big in there for 155
I think the Gaethje fight would be a big draw, and would give Paddy a top 5 opponent that he can beat. That would line him up for a title shot after that.
I thought Paddy looked really good vs Chandler, it's not just that he beat him, he dominated the fight.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 9:27 am to subotic
quote:It's now or never for this fight. Islam is 33 and will probably retire younger like Khabib. He's looking to move up to welterweight asap, so the fight is already less likely to happen based on that alone. Topuria wants to retire at 30, he's 28 right now.
It's obvious why they didn't like the move. Topuria beat Volk and Holloway then claimed he "did all he could" at 145 and pressed Dana to move to lightweight.
One title defense...
So instead of actually clearing out the division and building up even more hype for a potential superfight down the road, Topuria decides he is entitled to an immediate title fight with Islam. At this point, I hope it happens just to watch Topuria get disassembled by Islam.
Topuria beating Diego, Evloev and Jean Silva doesn't add much to the hype for this superfight.
Topuria knocked out two legends in a row and is now calling out the #1 pound-for-pound fighter in MMA. To each their own, not sure why people hate this, this is amazing. Has anyone called out Islam like this? This guy has huge balls. The punishment for not being able to back up his trash talk is built-in to fighting--he might get his a** kicked by Islam. I just want to see it one way or the other.
If the UFC doesn't keep their promise to Topuria, it's a major mismanagement of star power. Topuria's Rogan episode has 2.7M views in 5 days. The guy could reach Conor levels of superstardom and right now it seems like they are doing things to take the wind out of his sails.
So he's not interested in meeting everyone's expectations and following the same career trajectory as Volk, etc. So sue him. Topuria is forging his own path and his own story.
Posted on 4/22/25 at 9:33 am to Big Fat Guy
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Topuria wants to retire at 30
This isn’t true. He said he may retire at 32 or 34 on Rogan just last week
Posted on 4/22/25 at 9:48 am to Epic Cajun
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I think the Gaethje fight would be a big draw, and would give Paddy a top 5 opponent that he can beat. That would line him up for a title shot after that.
I thought Paddy looked really good vs Chandler, it's not just that he beat him, he dominated the fight.
He did look good and dominated, but beating old Chandler and oldish Gaethje should not get you a title shot.
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