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re: Why Ben Simmons isn't the top prospect in the 2016 NBA draft
Posted on 3/14/16 at 4:55 pm to Parallax
Posted on 3/14/16 at 4:55 pm to Parallax
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I've been arguing Simmons fall in trajectory is unfair due to his team/fabricated by the media.
this is true, Jay Bilas said as much on ESPN the other day, saying if he was at UK or Duke, no one would be questioning him. but the draft is always about finding holes is someone's game and as someone else said it is suddenly fashionable to pile on the guy.
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Towns was on a 38-1 team and his hype trajectory was the reverse of Simmons
he also played very well, yes he had limited minutes because he was on a loaded team, but he flashed skills that lead most to view him as the top prospect and he's proven that to be true as a rookie.
I fully expect Simmons will be the #1 pick, the disappointing season will fade as teams work him out and interview him.
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Posted on 3/14/16 at 4:56 pm to RTR America
All of the elite wings get that tag. If you read the actual title, don't know if it's wrong, dude won everything and started on Simeon as a freshman (Derrick Rose didn't). By the beginning of their freshman years Wiggins was considered so far ahead of Parker.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 4:57 pm to Fun Bunch
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Simmons will easily be the #1 pick. It won't even be a question
Again for like the 1000th time this is not my point. I've said over and over my issue was always all the ridiculous generational talent stuff. I think he would be a huge get for a team like Philly, but don't love the fit in LA or Minnesota.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 4:57 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Sure, you can argue that no one thought his offensive game would make the leap it did, but to say AD wasn't regarded as an elite talent on both ends is absurd.
This is a contradictory sentence. How can you agree that no one thought his offensive game would take a leap then say people thought he was an elite talent on both ends?
Most people projected AD to have an offensive game similar to Tyson Chandler at the time AD was drafted - pick and roll finisher.
This post was edited on 3/14/16 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 3/14/16 at 4:59 pm to Parallax
Draft express had their comparison as Blake Griffin on offense and everyone on Pelicans talk flipped out because it wasn't Duncan.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 5:00 pm to Parallax
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Most people projected AD to have an offensive game similar to Tyson Chandler at the time AD was drafted - pick and roll finisher.
Show me. AD wasn't taken first overall to be the next Tyson Chandler. And considering prime Tyson Chandler was elite defensively, that's what you're saying.
Just because Kentucky used him like Chandler, that doesn't mean he was projected to be used like that. The dude played PG in high school as a freshman.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 5:03 pm to SwaggerCopter
Go to the site for the guy that wrote the ckickbait article in the OP.
This was also when Blake's offense was a pick and roll finisher.
Again, revisionist history is powerful.
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Best case: Blake Griffin meets Tyson Chandler
Worst case: Taj Gibson
This was also when Blake's offense was a pick and roll finisher.
Again, revisionist history is powerful.
This post was edited on 3/14/16 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 3/14/16 at 5:04 pm to SwaggerCopter
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Show me. AD wasn't taken first overall to be the next Tyson Chandler. And considering prime Tyson Chandler was elite defensively, that's what you're saying.
He's right. He was compared to Marcus Camby and Tyson Chandler a lot.
Everyone thought he would be a defensive anchor with a very limited offensive game beyond dunks and putbacks.
Didn't turn out that way at all.
(To be fair, some people were also comparing him to KG, which is a pretty good comparison lol )
Posted on 3/14/16 at 5:05 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Jay Bilas said as much on ESPN the other day, saying if he was at UK or Duke, no one would be questioning him. but the draft is always about finding holes is someone's game
This right here is what I consider the biggest fault of JJ outside of the obvious. The reason you have these draft guys saying Simmons' weaknesses are the same as they were before the season is because Jones did such a poor job of helping either eliminate those weaknesses or just hide them.
It is what Cal has figured out and K really began to figure out last year (he really left Jabari on an island defensively at times) with these one and done guys.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 5:06 pm to RTR America
Calipari has the biggest freshman bust in the country. He hasn't been able to hide that.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 5:07 pm to Chad504boy
Pels talk crucified me for saying this
Posted on 3/14/16 at 5:08 pm to Parallax
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This was also when Blake's offense was a pick and roll finisher.
He was still an amazing ball handler at that time, he just hadn't developed the jumper yet. AD had also not really shown on his midrange game yet.
Hell I remember ESPN talking about AD helping the Pels win 50 games in his first season
Posted on 3/14/16 at 5:09 pm to Parallax
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This is a contradictory sentence. How can you agree that no one thought his offensive game would take a leap then they people thought he was an elite talent on both ends?
Well he made an unprecedented leap. You can think someone is an elite prospect on both ends of the floor without thinking he'd be a dark horse MVP candidate by year 3.
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Most people projected AD to have an offensive game similar to Tyson Chandler at the time AD was drafted - pick and roll finisher.
That's what he was projected to be from day 1 in the NBA. Many had a much more favorable view of his offensive game assuming that he gained strength and grew into his frame. Draft express said he could be a mashup of Blake Griffin and Tyson Chandler. Many on ESPN compared him to KG. NBAdraft.net rated his jump shot as an 8/10 after his freshman year.
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He ranks as the most efficient scorer among big men prospects behind Ricardo Ratliffe, averaging nearly 1.2 points per possession used overall, with a significant gap between him and the next most efficient elite big man prospect, Tyler Zeller. Davis ranked just around average in overall possessions used (11.6 per game), so the fact that he turns the ball over at the second lowest rate (8.6% of possessions), while drawing fouls fourth most frequently among this group made him an exceptionally efficient offensive option at the college level.
Davis was the second most prolific transition scorer among big men after John Henson, which makes sense considering the speed with which he runs the floor. He ranked #1 among big men at finishing off cuts, converting an outstanding 83% of his field goal attempts in these situations. He also ranked as the best overall finisher (in any situation) around the basket, hitting 78% of his attempts, or nearly 1.6 points per shot. Getting the ball to Davis underneath the basket in a position to score appears to be sound advice for his next coach in the NBA.
He was also the second most efficient scoring big man out of isolation situations (.903), even if the sample size leaves a lot to be desired here, at 31 total possessions over 42 games.
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While Davis plays a simple role for Kentucky, he's arguably the most efficient offensive player in college basketball, converting an amazing 67% of his 2-point attempts (which ranks in the top 15 in our database in the past decade) and turning the ball over on just 9% of his possessions. He's one of the best finishers we've seen in recent years, making nearly 80% of his non-post-up attempts around the basket.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 5:10 pm to SwaggerCopter
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Calipari has the biggest freshman bust in the country. He hasn't been able to hide that.
Who finally looked like himself in the last 2 games of the season. I've been all over Cal for how he has handled Skal. He will still be a lottery pick.
He's done an incredible job with Murray and Ulis went from being a projected 4 year guy to probably a first rounder this year.
I think he is allowed one screwup.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 5:10 pm to Parallax
Blake Griffin averaged 23 points his rookie year. Tyson Chandler's career high is just under 12. I think you're the one writing the revisionist history.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 5:11 pm to SwaggerCopter
Who is that? I am curious. ETA: Skal. Never mind.
Also, Cal took Devin Booker (ranked in the 40's out of HS) and made him into a NBA lottery pick.
Question on here, would you rather have Booker or Simmons on your NBA team?
Also, Cal took Devin Booker (ranked in the 40's out of HS) and made him into a NBA lottery pick.
Question on here, would you rather have Booker or Simmons on your NBA team?
This post was edited on 3/14/16 at 5:14 pm
Posted on 3/14/16 at 5:13 pm to SwaggerCopter
And yet he still won a SEC regular season co-championship and tournament championship without Skal playing to his potential. And managed to take some of the pressure off the kid by claiming it was him not playing him to the strengths of his game right now vs what he could become.
That said, Skal's biggest issue isn't something that anyone outside of an S&C coach could fix. Even playing as well as he has in that late stretch, he's just not very strong.
A lot of Simmons deficiencies could be fix with the right coach and some players around him that force him to compete for his role on the team. I will say I don't know mentally how he'll handle being on a losing squad that will likely have some management issues.
That said, Skal's biggest issue isn't something that anyone outside of an S&C coach could fix. Even playing as well as he has in that late stretch, he's just not very strong.
A lot of Simmons deficiencies could be fix with the right coach and some players around him that force him to compete for his role on the team. I will say I don't know mentally how he'll handle being on a losing squad that will likely have some management issues.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 5:20 pm to WildcatMike
Booker was definitely higher rated than in the 40's. He's had a monster year, maybe the 2nd or 3rd most impressive rookie and youngest player in the league.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 5:26 pm to WestCoastAg
Bruh
You also thought Skal would be drafted over Simmons. Your bias is apparent.
You also thought Skal would be drafted over Simmons. Your bias is apparent.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 5:28 pm to WildcatMike
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Also, Cal took Devin Booker (ranked in the 40's out of HS) and made him into a NBA lottery pick.
Booker was 22 on 247.
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