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Why are the T-wolves so bad?
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:46 pm
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:46 pm
Currently sitting at 6-15, they have one of the brightest and best defensive minds in the game with Thibs, yet they're 25th in DRTG. They have a pretty good offense, IIRC 15th in ORTG.
They have 2 of the younger budding stars with KAT and Wiggins and a very good 3rd wheel in Lavine. They have a solid veteran in Dieng, average PG in Rubio, and a few bench guys who aren't half bad in Shabazz and Bjelica.
They have Dunn who is struggling thus far, but was considered to be one of the better 'future combo guards' coming out of the draft.
so what the hell is going on? Basketball IQ? Lack of depth? "quality players" actually not being that good? All of the above?
They have 2 of the younger budding stars with KAT and Wiggins and a very good 3rd wheel in Lavine. They have a solid veteran in Dieng, average PG in Rubio, and a few bench guys who aren't half bad in Shabazz and Bjelica.
They have Dunn who is struggling thus far, but was considered to be one of the better 'future combo guards' coming out of the draft.
so what the hell is going on? Basketball IQ? Lack of depth? "quality players" actually not being that good? All of the above?
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:47 pm to htran90
Bunch of individual talent that doesn't play well together as a team.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:48 pm to htran90
I almost started this exact thread tonight.
KAT, Lavine, and Wiggins are all averaging between 20-23 ppg.
KAT, Lavine, and Wiggins are all averaging between 20-23 ppg.
This post was edited on 12/6/16 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:49 pm to htran90
The young stars haven't matured enough on defense
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:50 pm to xenythx
They don't play defense and their spacing is terrible because they have two point guards that can't shoot.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:52 pm to htran90
Was it a week ago that rumors swirled about thibs wanting to trade one of the stars for a veteran? If the guys in the Timberwolves don't improve, it's probably because they aren't buying in.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:54 pm to htran90
Execution. They were giving SA fits for awhile when they stayed disciplined. Tonight's the only game I've seen Minny play start to finish, though.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:00 pm to htran90
Young players don't win games. Has been the story for like forever.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:02 pm to htran90
I'd say a combo of everything you said plus others have said. I had them 7-8 seed but I was expecting more out of Dunn.
Their spacing is terrible and on the other side of the ball, you have a few good defenders but they don't play defense as a team well.
Their spacing is terrible and on the other side of the ball, you have a few good defenders but they don't play defense as a team well.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:06 pm to RTR America
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Young players don't win games. Has been the story for like forever.
I understand that, but two of these guys were considered 'generational' talent. I can understand if they had one and scrubs, but this team has 2 franchise caliber players and a legit starter at the minimum.
KD-Westbrook-Harden made it to the playoffs in their 3rd, 2nd, and 1st year respectively and won 50 games.
the 3rd best player on that team was Green who was 23?
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:08 pm to htran90
They've blown a lot of second half leads. They'd jump out to these 20 point leads before halftime and then get smoked. Lack of maturity and bench
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:10 pm to htran90
I don't think it helps that Wiggins has a terrible assist rate, worse than other scorers considered selfish such as Carmelo. There is something off about that.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:13 pm to htran90
The thing with the Thunder was that with KD and Westbrook, KD creates space for Westbrook while Westbrook would usually need a help defender as he takes it to the rack. He'd just dish it out then (sometimes). Plus Harden off the bench and having Ibaka, with good vets such as Collison and Thabo helped tremendously. Kendrick Perkins was terrible at everything but defending under the rim.
Wiggins doesn't have the shooting touch that KD has. Everyone stacks the paint.
Wiggins doesn't have the shooting touch that KD has. Everyone stacks the paint.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:14 pm to htran90
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so what the hell is going on?
They should deal Rubio and turn it over to Dunn. Get a shooter and bring Levine off the bench as the 6th man. Right now, he's too similar to Wiggins. He needs to be running that 2nd unit. They just have no depth. Starting 5 looks good on paper but they can't play the entire game. I'd consider trading Dieng too...a stretch 4 next to KAT would be ideal.
I think they'll be better the 2nd half - they are still really young, but they need more shooters and less hero ball.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:15 pm to theducks
Yeah, folks dare Wiggins to shoot and will live with it until he gets more consistent.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:17 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Yeah, folks dare Wiggins to shoot and will live with it until he gets more consistent.
He's shooting almost 40% from 3 this year.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:19 pm to RTR America
This here is it. We said a .500 season would
be a great season for them. At this point it looks like they have not much of a chance to get to .500. Curious to see which one of the young studs they deal. Gotta be Lavine IMO. Although wiggins could fetch a nice return. He's awfully one dimensonal.
be a great season for them. At this point it looks like they have not much of a chance to get to .500. Curious to see which one of the young studs they deal. Gotta be Lavine IMO. Although wiggins could fetch a nice return. He's awfully one dimensonal.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:21 pm to Boomshockalocka
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Gotta be Lavine IMO. Although wiggins could fetch a nice return. He's awfully one dimensonal.
They are both 21...you don't deal either IMO. You deal Rubio and possibly Dieng. The young pups will be fine. This year doesn't matter. If we have learned anything from OKC, it's not to panic and blow up a young core for role players.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:22 pm to PortCityTiger24
He's streaky, though. The way they play, I think I'd still rather him bomb away from outside than challenge at the rack. Athletic and can finish very well.
He's trending upward, though.
He's trending upward, though.
This post was edited on 12/6/16 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:24 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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He's trending upward, though.
Definitely.
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