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re: Why are caught foul tips with <2 strikes not outs?
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:26 pm to Hester Carries
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:26 pm to Hester Carries
Do you have any theories for why the rule is the way it is?
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Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:26 pm to Hester Carries
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I simply don’t understand why it exists. And neither do any of you apparently
Why don’t you hop in a time machine, go find Abner Doubleday, and then ask him so the rest of us don’t have to listen to you.
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:29 pm to burdman
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Do you have any theories for why the rule is the way it is?
No. That’s why I started this thread. I legitimately have always wondered and simply “that’s the rule” is not something a truly curious person would accept
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:31 pm to Hester Carries
I think the doubling up the runner theory makes the most sense
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:32 pm to burdman
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I think the doubling up the runner theory makes the most sense
I’d never considered it and of the two reasons presented ITT it makes the most sense for sure
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:34 pm to Hester Carries
My guess is for ease of officiating. Could you imagine the number of arguments over if a ball was tipped or not when they could just call it strike 1.
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:35 pm to CubsFanBudMan
quote:true
My guess is for ease of officiating. Could you imagine the number of arguments over if a ball was tipped or not when they could just call it strike 1.
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:37 pm to Hester Carries
Also, it gives the batter some sort of chance at the plate. If you could be out after one foul tip, then the tables would be unfairly flipped in favor of the pitcher.
Batting is already difficult enough...
Batting is already difficult enough...
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:51 pm to Master of Sinanju
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think one of the reasons is to prevent cheap doubling up of baserunners.
How so?
ETA...I guess you are really asking, why are foul tips considered strikes.
The answer to the question posed in OP, a foul tip is different than a foul ball. A foul tip is considered a strike on every count, even with two strikes. The ball is not dead.
So you are wondering why foul tips are considered different? Correct. Because that is a different question than your OP
This post was edited on 3/16/21 at 10:05 pm
Posted on 3/16/21 at 10:03 pm to kciDAtaE
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quote: think one of the reasons is to prevent cheap doubling up of baserunners. How so?
Because the ball is already in the catcher hand ... wouldn’t take much to throw a runner out
Posted on 3/16/21 at 10:08 pm to lepdagod
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Because the ball is already in the catcher hand ... wouldn’t take much to throw a runner out
Ball is live on a foul tip. Catcher can still throw out the runner.
Are you talking about a hit and run situation?
Posted on 3/16/21 at 10:20 pm to Hester Carries
I think when we were kids and just learning, or teaching a new player, the rationale, or explanation was that a foul tip had to go at least as high as, or over the batter's head before it could be caught as an out. A kid's reasoning. But let's say there is a foul straight back higher than just a tip though and it is not caught by the catcher immediately, but rather hits his chest protector or the catcher's mask and somehow doesn't hit the ground but bounces up in the air off of the catcher and then he catches it is that also not an out?
Posted on 3/16/21 at 10:27 pm to Hooligan's Ghost
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but rather hits his chest protector or the catcher's mask and somehow doesn't hit the ground but bounces up in the air off of the catcher and then he catches it is that also not an out?
Not an out
This post was edited on 3/16/21 at 10:38 pm
Posted on 3/16/21 at 10:30 pm to Hester Carries
It's probably a similar rationale to the rule that says you're out if you lay a bunt foul with two strikes. Make better contact or the game will get boring.
Posted on 3/16/21 at 10:31 pm to RummelTiger
quote:This. If ANY form of contact meant you were out if it was caught before hitting the ground, averages would plummet.
Also, it gives the batter some sort of chance at the plate. If you could be out after one foul tip, then the tables would be unfairly flipped in favor of the pitcher.
Batting is already difficult enough...
At the end of the day I think it's for both to give batters more of a fighting chance and for simplicity's sake. Baseball would be a much more difficult game to call than it already is if every tip was ruled as live. The rule is easy to understand, follow, and enforce.
This post was edited on 3/16/21 at 10:34 pm
Posted on 3/16/21 at 10:31 pm to Hester Carries
Posted on 3/16/21 at 10:41 pm to Hester Carries
Imagine trying to make that call on all close swings.
Posted on 3/16/21 at 11:43 pm to Hester Carries
Foul tips with 2 strikes aren’t outs because it’s a caught foul ball. It’s an out because it was a swing and a miss.
Same reason why foul tips with less than 2 strikes are strikes.
Same reason why foul tips with less than 2 strikes are strikes.
Posted on 3/16/21 at 11:53 pm to Hester Carries
You can ask the same question about a fouled bunt attempt.
You’ll get the same answer.
Because them’s the rules.
You’ll get the same answer.
Because them’s the rules.
Posted on 3/16/21 at 11:54 pm to Hester Carries
Because that would be really frickin lame
Getting out on something like that would be super gay
Getting out on something like that would be super gay
This post was edited on 3/16/21 at 11:55 pm
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