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re: Who wouldve won more titles-Duncan & Kobe or Shaq and T-Mac?(as duos)
Posted on 7/23/15 at 2:23 pm to RonBurgundy
Posted on 7/23/15 at 2:23 pm to RonBurgundy
which player are you taking?
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Posted on 7/23/15 at 2:26 pm to Lester Earl
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which player are you taking?
I'll ask the questions around here.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 2:27 pm to RonBurgundy
Is this another thread where people shite on Kobe because they don't like him? This isn't close. Duncan and Kobe take this one. You're talking about 2 consensus top 10 all time players. The 2 best players of their generation. Both of which are known for their longevity of elite play.
Between them, they have played in 13 of the past 17 NBA Championships. That is an incredible stat.
Shaq in his own right is a top 10 all time player, but his longevity (of elite play) can't compare with Kobe and Duncan. T-Mac is way down the list. Likely still a hall of famer, and a player whose peak was incredible, but even shorter than Shaq's. And also a guy who (as I'm sure has been mentioned) has never won.
Between them, they have played in 13 of the past 17 NBA Championships. That is an incredible stat.
Shaq in his own right is a top 10 all time player, but his longevity (of elite play) can't compare with Kobe and Duncan. T-Mac is way down the list. Likely still a hall of famer, and a player whose peak was incredible, but even shorter than Shaq's. And also a guy who (as I'm sure has been mentioned) has never won.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 2:28 pm to RonBurgundy
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Kobe on the toughest guys he ever played against - Iverson, Marbury, Arenas, Melo, Durant - but put Tracy McGrady as the toughest
LINK
Posted on 7/23/15 at 2:29 pm to RonBurgundy
i like how each of their primes are determined and sandwiched between McGrady's terrible early and late years in his career. Well played.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 2:30 pm to Lester Earl
You take whichever pairing has Tim Duncan, the greatest player of his era.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 2:31 pm to PhiTiger1764
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Is this another thread where people shite on Kobe because they don't like him? This isn't close. Duncan and Kobe take this one
actually no, I started this thread because people are consistently saying that Kobe was carried by Shaq...so I posed the question that if you split the two and paired them with their peers, who would win more?
Then this thread evolved into "T-Mac isn't that good" which is revisionist history. T-Mac in his prime was very much considered a peer to Kobe Bryant.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 2:33 pm to RonBurgundy
do Shaq and TMac still have the weight/injury issues?
If they are healthy the entire time its them in a landslide. Nobody could stop prime Shaq when he gave a shite and having a dude with TMac's ability (sorry but he is the better offensive player when healthy) would make them impossible to defend.
If TMac is still always getting hurt and Shaq continues to get into shape "on company time" as he liked to say it would be the Duncan/Kobe paring.
If they are healthy the entire time its them in a landslide. Nobody could stop prime Shaq when he gave a shite and having a dude with TMac's ability (sorry but he is the better offensive player when healthy) would make them impossible to defend.
If TMac is still always getting hurt and Shaq continues to get into shape "on company time" as he liked to say it would be the Duncan/Kobe paring.
This post was edited on 7/23/15 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 7/23/15 at 2:33 pm to RonBurgundy
Hah. Yea I just read through. I saw the first few responses bashing Kobe and then I posted..
Posted on 7/23/15 at 2:37 pm to Lester Earl
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i like how each of their primes are determined and sandwiched between McGrady's terrible early and late years in his career. Well played.
If you disagree that Kobe and McGrady weren't in their primes in those years, you're as foolish as I believe you to be.
By you own statement you disregard what "prime" means...
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between his terrible early and late years
A seven year window is somehow not good enough to compare the two?
Pulling career statistics in this case is a joke as well, considering the question posed was in prime.
No one is arguing that Kobe didn't take better care of himself, thus extending his prime.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 2:52 pm to RonBurgundy
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If you disagree that Kobe and McGrady weren't in their primes in those years, you're as foolish as I believe you to be.
Im not saying they weren't in their primes. Im saying you determined there primes by when Tracy McGrady started to be good, despite coming into the league are pretty much the same time, at the same ages..
Tracy McGrady's first good year was 2000. Kobe Bryant made his first all star game in 1997.
It doesn't really matter though, because you can take any portion of their careers and examine them, and Kobe comes out better. Even the absolute best portions of McGrady's career that you have to cherry pick.
Yes, 7 years is a big enough window. But just for fun, compile these stats for me: The year before & the year after of this 7 year window. Shouldn't be too drastic, should it?
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No one is arguing that Kobe didn't take better care of himself, thus extending his prime.
so his "prime" should be cut off(or started late, in this case) because T-Mac fizzled out or wasn't good as a Raptor? That's my whole point.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 3:21 pm to Lester Earl
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Wait, so let me get this straight, you cherry picked 1 season from each and labeled that their prime?
seriously guy?
You know what prime means? It's both of their top seasons. An 82 game sample size for both. There is nothing cherry picked about that. At their respective top levels of play, TMac was more efficient.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 3:31 pm to Lester Earl
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Even the absolute best portions of McGrady's career that you have to cherry pick.
It's not cherry picked. It's 82 games. A season. I'm not throwing together his 2006 November with his 2003 December, 2004 January, etc. It's just 82 games that are indicative of how good he was at that season(the best he ever was). Only a handful of players have ever been as efficient as 2003 TMAC and Kobe is not one of those peole.
We know McGrady was a total flash in the pan who was only truly incredible for a year or two. That's the exact reason why people forget how good he was. Kobe is a much better player but its because he didn't have major injury issues. Stayed more or less as good as he ever was for the whole middle of his career. TMac reached his prime and then fell for various reasons.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 3:44 pm to TheSexecutioner
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You know what prime means? It's both of their top seasons
Never is a primed ever referred to just 1 season. Ever. Ever. Ever. Ever. Ever.
Not even worth discussing with you if you're that out of touch.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 4:45 pm to Lester Earl
Has anyone created the Hibbert/Kobe meme yet?
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