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re: Who is the greatest fighter of all-time? (Anderson Silva or Fedor Emelianenko)
Posted on 6/23/13 at 2:50 am to UFownstSECsince1950
Posted on 6/23/13 at 2:50 am to UFownstSECsince1950
i dont remember ali getting whooped by inoki. i dont remember much, i think there was less action in that fight than in royce gracie and sakuraba fight number one
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Posted on 6/23/13 at 2:52 am to TheRoarRestoredInBR
he did beat cro cop when cro cop's only real loss in mma was to big nog. i still believe his loss to randleman was fixed and so do many other people.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 3:30 am to UFownstSECsince1950
I have to put Anderson #1. He has faced every challenge you can think of stylistically and hasn't just won but made his opponents look terrible. He comes into the UFC and makes their headline champion at MW in Rich Franklin look like a scrub twice. Then after he cleans out the MW division he goes up in weight and makes a former champion at lhw look like an idiot in Forrest Griffin.
With Anderson Silva he can make it look like the other guy doesn't even belong in the cage with him. That's just how much more talented he is than the rest of the fighters in his range.
Fedor and Sakuraba are my favorite fighters ever, but Fedor would get into wars and not blow by his competition like Silva has. Fedor is one of the greatest but I can't call him the greatest.
With Anderson Silva he can make it look like the other guy doesn't even belong in the cage with him. That's just how much more talented he is than the rest of the fighters in his range.
Fedor and Sakuraba are my favorite fighters ever, but Fedor would get into wars and not blow by his competition like Silva has. Fedor is one of the greatest but I can't call him the greatest.
This post was edited on 6/23/13 at 3:33 am
Posted on 6/23/13 at 8:58 am to UFownstSECsince1950
Silva. Fedor being a bitch and ducking the UFC twice has to count against him.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 9:10 am to lsucoonass
If we are talking best in their prime, Shogun
For a career, Anderson and Fedor are 1a and 1b. Jones and GSP are right behind them.
For a career, Anderson and Fedor are 1a and 1b. Jones and GSP are right behind them.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 9:24 am to USMC Gators
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Also, one guy avoided the UFC twice
And that same guy fought in Pride when the best fought in Pride, NOT the UFC. That same guy has about a half dozen victories over UFC heavyweight champions with zero losses to any of them.
Additionally, Fedor has only beaten dominated and truly beaten once in his career - by Silva. Fedor was destroying Werdum until he got over agressive and careless. And he was basically beaten by a sneaky suckertype punch by Hendo (all part of it though).
I'll take Fedor by a lot. Anderson has pretty much never beaten someone bigger than him. He makes the move to light HW, he would get beaten routinely by several guys. Bones would destroy him, Evans and Hendo would likely beat him.
No man alive could beat Fedor for a very, very long time.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 9:27 am to UFownstSECsince1950
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-fedor
Fedor can not be listed in my opinion.
I will bash him like I will bash Floyd Mayweather. Mayweather never fought Manny. Now Manny lost so who cares.
Fedor never fought in the UFC and now HE lost so who cares.
This will ALWAYS tarnish both fighters in my opinion.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 9:30 am to LSU alum wannabe
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Fedor never fought in the UFC
Again, the arguement loses a LOT of credibility when you understand Fedor in his prime fought in Pride which was light years better than the UFC for many years.
The UFC has only just recently gotten to the level when it can even be mentioned with the Pride roster of 2003-2006. Guys left the UFC to fight the best in Pride, NOT the other way around.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 9:39 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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And that same guy fought in Pride when the best fought in Pride, NOT the UFC. That same guy has about a half dozen victories over UFC heavyweight champions with zero losses to any of them. Additionally, Fedor has only beaten dominated and truly beaten once in his career - by Silva. Fedor was destroying Werdum until he got over agressive and careless. And he was basically beaten by a sneaky suckertype punch by Hendo (all part of it though). I'll take Fedor by a lot. Anderson has pretty much never beaten someone bigger than him. He makes the move to light HW, he would get beaten routinely by several guys. Bones would destroy him, Evans and Hendo would likely beat him. No man alive could beat Fedor for a very, very long time.
LOL! Evans and Hendo? GTFO with that shite. They would get destroyed
Posted on 6/23/13 at 9:40 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Again, the arguement loses a LOT of credibility when you understand Fedor in his prime fought in Pride which was light years better than the UFC for many years. The UFC has only just recently gotten to the level when it can even be mentioned with the Pride roster of 2003-2006. Guys left the UFC to fight the best in Pride, NOT the other way around.
People have got to remember for a while in the early 2000s the best fighters in the world fought in PRIDE. Fedor dominates the HW division when the best HWs fought in Japan. Not to mention the fact that Fedor fought Men 20-30 lbs heavier than him his whole career.
This post was edited on 6/23/13 at 9:42 am
Posted on 6/23/13 at 9:42 am to UFownstSECsince1950
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I know you're only trolling about the Wanderlei par
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VerlanderBEAST
nah he is dead serious, but he isn't that bright
Posted on 6/23/13 at 9:43 am to Shoulderchoke
At this point, I would say its a toss up between who is the greatest. If Anderson continues doing what he's been doing then its impossible to consider him the best all-time.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 9:44 am to lsuguy84
No son.
Evans and Hendo can withstand Silva's striking. Both are much better wrestlers. Either one of them would beat Silva. Both fights would go a lot like the first Sonnen-Silva fight and the first round of the second where Silva got dominated.
I about guarantee either one beats him. Hendo has a fricking IRON chin. He would get Silva on the ground MULTIPLE times in the fight and would dominate him on the ground.
Silva MIGHT be able to KO Evans, but it is more likely Evans controls the fight on the ground and out points Silva in a decision. Machida is the only one to ever stop Evans with his unorthodox style.
Bottom line, either of those is more likely than not to beat Silva.
Evans and Hendo can withstand Silva's striking. Both are much better wrestlers. Either one of them would beat Silva. Both fights would go a lot like the first Sonnen-Silva fight and the first round of the second where Silva got dominated.
I about guarantee either one beats him. Hendo has a fricking IRON chin. He would get Silva on the ground MULTIPLE times in the fight and would dominate him on the ground.
Silva MIGHT be able to KO Evans, but it is more likely Evans controls the fight on the ground and out points Silva in a decision. Machida is the only one to ever stop Evans with his unorthodox style.
Bottom line, either of those is more likely than not to beat Silva.
This post was edited on 6/23/13 at 9:46 am
Posted on 6/23/13 at 9:46 am to Shoulderchoke
A spin off....
Who are your greatest fighters of all time in each weight class LW-HW?
HW - Fedor
LHW - Wanderlei
MW - Anderson
WW - GSP
LW - Gomi
Who are your greatest fighters of all time in each weight class LW-HW?
HW - Fedor
LHW - Wanderlei
MW - Anderson
WW - GSP
LW - Gomi
Posted on 6/23/13 at 9:48 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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No son. Evans and Hendo can withstand Silva's striking. Both are much better wrestlers. Either one of them would beat Silva. Both fights would go a lot like the first Sonnen-Silva fight and the first round of the second where Silva got dominated. I about guarantee either one beats him. Hendo has a fricking IRON chin. He would get Silva on the ground MULTIPLE times in the fight and would dominate him on the ground. Silva MIGHT be able to KO Evans, but it is more likely Evans controls the fight on the ground and out points Silva in a decision. Machida is the only one to ever stop Evans with his unorthodox style. Bottom line, either of those is more likely than not to beat Silva.
You're losing any credibility you have because Silva already destroyed Hendo relatively easily
This post was edited on 6/23/13 at 9:56 am
Posted on 6/23/13 at 9:50 am to UFownstSECsince1950
Anderson silva. No question in my mind. Fedor was avoiding real competition for a really long time and got beat badly at the end a few times. He might have been the best some during that run he was avoiding everyone. But we will never know.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 9:52 am to Shoulderchoke
He caught him in a choke with 8 seconds left in the middle round.
I'm fine with taking Hendo in a rematch. He doesn't get caught in a submission, he outpoints him in a decision IMO.
I'm fine with taking Hendo in a rematch. He doesn't get caught in a submission, he outpoints him in a decision IMO.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 9:54 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
Anderson kicked him in the throat, kneed him in the face, and choked him out
Posted on 6/23/13 at 9:56 am to Shoulderchoke
Yeah, after Hendo dominated him the entire first round...
No kick in throat, no Silva win. I know that is part of it, but I will still take Hendo in a rematch in a Sonnen/Silva I type fight.
No kick in throat, no Silva win. I know that is part of it, but I will still take Hendo in a rematch in a Sonnen/Silva I type fight.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 9:59 am to Shoulderchoke
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Following up our presentation of Anderson Silva vs. Chael Sonnen 1, here’s the other UFC fight where Anderson Silva looked less-than-invincible, at least momentarily. This was Silva’s third middleweight title defense, back at UFC 82 in March 2008, and Dan Henderson dominated the opening round, taking Silva down about two minutes into the fight and grinding down on him with punches for the rest of the frame.
Silva's problem is being able to get up once a great wrestler takes him down.
Again, I take Hendo in a rematch. He doesn't try the stand and strike, he can take Silva down, and once down, Silva stays down until the end of each round.
Same thing for Evans vs Silva.
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