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re: Who is now considered the best living baseball great?
Posted on 6/20/24 at 11:15 am to bamameister
Posted on 6/20/24 at 11:15 am to bamameister
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Only MLB manages to keep their greatest players out of the HOF. No Pete Rose, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, or even an A-Rod. Congrats though on Big Pappi showing everyone a PED abuser can be the exception.
Yeah, MLB had an issue on their hands with Papi because he is so damn likable and a fan favorite (all fans). Those other four are all gigantic dickheads that nobody liked outside of some Reds fans (Rose), Giants fans (Bonds), Yankee fans (ARod and Clemens) liked.
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Posted on 6/20/24 at 11:31 am to Rouge
Dunno why Sandy Koufax is DV'd. (Time forgets)
The man was utterly un-hittable for a full 5-year stretch. The mere name, Sandy Koufax as the game SP struck awe among fans and terror among NL lineups ("Can we scratch out a run today"??)
Mickey Mantle, 1963 Word Series, looking at a 12-6 curve drop over the plate for a called third strike ( Turning to C John Roseboro -- How the frick am I supposed to hit that?? )
Sandy Frickin' Koufax, True Baseball Legend. In the convo as "Best Living Baseball Great".
The man was utterly un-hittable for a full 5-year stretch. The mere name, Sandy Koufax as the game SP struck awe among fans and terror among NL lineups ("Can we scratch out a run today"??)
Mickey Mantle, 1963 Word Series, looking at a 12-6 curve drop over the plate for a called third strike ( Turning to C John Roseboro -- How the frick am I supposed to hit that?? )
Sandy Frickin' Koufax, True Baseball Legend. In the convo as "Best Living Baseball Great".
Posted on 6/20/24 at 11:33 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Is Pete Rose dead?
No and he’s not even close to the best living member of the Big Red Machine
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But I'd take gambling any day over PED stat-padding.
Gambling threatens the integrity of the game. Fixed games is way worse the stat “padding” especially when half the league including pitchers were using
This post was edited on 6/20/24 at 11:44 am
Posted on 6/20/24 at 11:36 am to theballguy
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Obviously a different kind of criteria:
Rusty Kuntz
Dick Pole
You guys are disrespekin on Mickey Morandini.
He will find you.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 11:39 am to RedPants
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I don’t understand the Pete Rose comments. Slap hitter and an average defender.
He’s a fan favorite because he “plays hard” and loves the game and any other cliche you can think of. The banning just makes him more popular. On the merits of course he should be in the HOF as the hits leader, but his career BA is just over .300 and ranked in the 170s or so. His career OBP is in the 200s.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 11:40 am to H-Town Tiger
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No and he’s not even close to the best living member of the Big Red Machine
So...Johnny Bench?
There's a case. IMO Pete Rose did dent his legacy.
Maybe there should be three categories here?
1) Best Living Player
2) Best Living Legend
3) Best Statistical Player (Steroid Era [Non-Steroid Era])
Posted on 6/20/24 at 11:44 am to Rouge
By position:
C: Johnny Bench
1B: Pujols
2B: Rod Carew???
SS: A-Rod
3B: Mike Schmidt
OF: Bonds
P: Greg Maddux
Posted on 6/20/24 at 11:46 am to RedPants
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I don’t understand the Pete Rose comments. Slap hitter and an average defender.
True. Jeter-esque. All those hits. Longevity.
But Pete Rose was hitting .330 during the pitchers' era of the mid-60s when .275 was considered a decent-high average.
However then there were intangibles to Pete Rose.
Like swag. Hustle. His unchallenged Leadership of the (legendary) Big Red Machine as well as the Phillies. His versatility that allowed the guy to play nearly every position except P, C, SS.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 11:47 am to Liberator
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So...Johnny Bench?
Absolutely, he’s in the discussion for goat catcher. I forgot Joe Morgan died a couple years ago
Posted on 6/20/24 at 11:54 am to The Seaward
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Don’t really get the Pete Rose answers. Even if you throw out possible PED guys, how is he better than Mike Schmidt?
Seriously?
Posted on 6/20/24 at 12:00 pm to Rouge
Bonds is the greatest ever living or dead
Posted on 6/20/24 at 12:01 pm to Splackavellie
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Heard this stat just the other day:
You could strip Barry Bonds of his stats for all seven of his MVP seasons and he still has 440 homers with 359 stolen bases.
No other player in history has as many HRs and steals as Barry Bonds minus 7 of his best seasons
Truly insane.
I hate Bonds, but wow, that's wild.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 12:02 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Is Pete Rose dead?
Here we go
Posted on 6/20/24 at 12:15 pm to Rouge
Has to be Barry Bonds and it’s honesty not up for debate in my opinion and this is judging him as pre-steroids Bonds.
Whose second is the bigger debate.
Whose second is the bigger debate.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 12:19 pm to TheJunction
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Has to be Barry Bonds and it’s honesty not up for debate in my opinion and this is judging him as pre-steroids Bonds. Whose second is the bigger debate.
Agreed. Bonds was well on his way to being an all time great pre-PEDs. Post PEDs, he was the greatest hitter that ever lived by quite a bit.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 12:28 pm to TheJunction
Griffey Jr. Is right there with bonds….
Posted on 6/20/24 at 12:45 pm to BBATiger
Ichiro is a good shout.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 12:46 pm to dukke v
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Griffey Jr. Is right there with bonds….
I don’t see how this is debatable. Griffey is in the conversation with Mays and Andruw as greatest defensive CF ever at his peak, missed dang near 25% of his career due to injuries caused by playing so hard, and still hit over 600 homers and collected nearly 3,000 hits.
If Griffey had juiced, maybe he stays as healthy as Bonds and holds the home run record instead.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 12:49 pm to dukke v
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Griffey Jr. Is right there with bonds….
Agreed. For the majority of their careers, which ran largely concurrently, Griffey was widely considered the better player. Their older years were polar opposites though. Griffey was injury plagued while Bonds went ham.
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