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re: Where does arm strength rank in your requirements for qb
Posted on 7/2/17 at 7:28 pm to Lou Pai
Posted on 7/2/17 at 7:28 pm to Lou Pai
you have to have all the main requirements in at least 8 on a scale of 1 to 10.
processing the picture and relating the picture to your own arm and the route runner and the conditions and game situation.
aka brains
noticing guys after you and moving just enough to evade being hit.
see Mettenberger for the opposite
being able to make the touch pass as well as the home run.
arm enough to throw the out and not be INT
processing the picture and relating the picture to your own arm and the route runner and the conditions and game situation.
aka brains
noticing guys after you and moving just enough to evade being hit.
see Mettenberger for the opposite
being able to make the touch pass as well as the home run.
arm enough to throw the out and not be INT
Posted on 7/2/17 at 7:31 pm to Ghost of Colby
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arm strength can't be learned.
I think this is overstated. Brady had a weak arm when he came into the NFL, but he's been throwing frozen ropes since 2009 or so.
Posted on 7/2/17 at 7:40 pm to Spelt it rong
Okay, but without good arm strength all of that is for nil
Take Sean White from Auburn for example.
He's extremely accurate. Good instincts and solid pocket awareness as well.... but he's got shite arm strength and struggles with passes over 20 or 25 yards.
Give him 2 inches of height and the arm strength of Nick Marshall and White is potentially a 1st round prospect.
And arm strength doesn't just effect your deep ball. It also effects how well you can fit short passes into small windows, and how well you can get the past the DL.
Arm strength us important on EVERY throw.
Take Sean White from Auburn for example.
He's extremely accurate. Good instincts and solid pocket awareness as well.... but he's got shite arm strength and struggles with passes over 20 or 25 yards.
Give him 2 inches of height and the arm strength of Nick Marshall and White is potentially a 1st round prospect.
And arm strength doesn't just effect your deep ball. It also effects how well you can fit short passes into small windows, and how well you can get the past the DL.
Arm strength us important on EVERY throw.
Posted on 7/2/17 at 7:57 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Brees is still elite despite having relatively poor arm strength over the last several years. Eli and Peyton both had below average arm strength their entire careers, and Peyton set records in Denver with a noodle arm.
None of these guys have weak arms. Don't get it confused with throwing with touch
Posted on 7/2/17 at 8:08 pm to Lester Earl
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It's very important as their are no good QBs with weak arms. It goes hand in hand with being accurate. You can't lack either or you aren't a good NFL QB
Elite quarterbacks have elite arm strength and accuracy. Teams are just of the notion (probably correctly so) that you can teach accuracy but not arm strength.
Posted on 7/2/17 at 8:28 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
It's obviously important but I would say the least important of the major qualities needed to play QB.
Accuracy, pocket presence, and ability to read defenses all being more important.
Accuracy, pocket presence, and ability to read defenses all being more important.
Posted on 7/2/17 at 8:40 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Can they hit a 15-20 yard out pattern on the sideline....if yes, then arm strength is of no concern.. it's a throw not made very often but one that demonstrates required strength.. It also doesn't have to be a bullet but timed correctly.. it's the throw that cross references multiple measurables on the box and can be delivered differently..
Posted on 7/2/17 at 8:46 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
An NFL qb must have enough arm strength to keep the safeties honest, and he must have enough strength to make passes to the wide side of the field.
That minimum strength is as important as any other ability. Danny Wuerffel had all the intelligence and pretty good accuracy, but he didn't succeed bc he didn't have the minimum strength necessary. There are other similar qbs, but he's the easiest to remember.
That minimum strength is as important as any other ability. Danny Wuerffel had all the intelligence and pretty good accuracy, but he didn't succeed bc he didn't have the minimum strength necessary. There are other similar qbs, but he's the easiest to remember.
Posted on 7/2/17 at 8:46 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
There's a minimum amount of arm strength you have to have to be effective in the NFL. After that, there are a bunch of other things that are more important than the EXTRA arm strength.
Posted on 7/2/17 at 9:15 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Toughness is the other one I'd put over arm strength. A QB can have the strongest arm in the world, but if he gets happy feet and gets skittish because he's scared to get hit, he won't be any good
Posted on 7/2/17 at 9:29 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Johnny U went to shite once his arm went.
You don't have to be Namath or Favre but you have to be way above average.
There's no substitute; it can bail you out and give you more options...once your arm goes, you can't freelance and can't make a pass late.
Joe Montana never had a great arm but he had great timing. He was a rhythm QB.
So arm strength all depends on type of offense you are running.
And what era.
Montana and Brady didn't need arm strength because of short passes being the majority of their offense...and let the receivers do the work for them.
But arm strength mattered for the Pack and especially for the Rams in the 80's...and Raiders in the 80's when the offense was send everyone deep.
You don't have to be Namath or Favre but you have to be way above average.
There's no substitute; it can bail you out and give you more options...once your arm goes, you can't freelance and can't make a pass late.
Joe Montana never had a great arm but he had great timing. He was a rhythm QB.
So arm strength all depends on type of offense you are running.
And what era.
Montana and Brady didn't need arm strength because of short passes being the majority of their offense...and let the receivers do the work for them.
But arm strength mattered for the Pack and especially for the Rams in the 80's...and Raiders in the 80's when the offense was send everyone deep.
Posted on 7/2/17 at 9:39 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
You admitted in your post it wasn't a necessity. You stated that if you don't have a cannon for an arm it may limit you some but it's no like your team can't win
Posted on 7/2/17 at 10:04 pm to Roger Klarvin
Chad Pennington could throw like 35 yards and was good and Vince Young could throw 75 .. you tell me
This post was edited on 7/2/17 at 10:04 pm
Posted on 7/2/17 at 10:24 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Probably more important in NFL than college due to the speed of the game, but never as important as the mental side
Posted on 7/3/17 at 12:03 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
It seems like many were making a big deal about arm strength between the qbs for this year's draft. It seemed like Watson's "lack of arm strength" was compared to Mahomes' incredible arm strength many times. Just seemed like Watson had "it" and Mahomes had some work to do.
Posted on 7/3/17 at 12:20 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Without a base level of arm strength a player simply cannot play in the NFL, and anything below excellent arm strength just makes it more difficult to play and necessitates that a player have excellent other traits. It tends to be relied upon because it is more easily measured and more difficult to develop than other QB skills, so it is seen as a rubric of potential in young players.
Posted on 7/3/17 at 12:40 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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I mean the ability to read a defense pre snap and also sometimes when they have a really strong arm even when the have good pocket awareness they make stupid throws into coverage like favre was known to do
meh.. it happens. I mean how many passes in the NFL have you seen where the WR is covered real well and they let it rip anyway? A lot of it has to do with timing and being on the same page as the WR.
and sometimes its just desperation and seeing if your guy can make a play on the ball. It's hard to tell.
Posted on 7/3/17 at 12:51 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
I admitted it matters what organization you play for, what offense and what defense.
Reading Ds is obviously #1 but arm strength can bail you out if you read wrong sometimes or the coverage was there.
See Favre
There isn't or wasn't a QB that ever lived that didn't wish he had a stronger arm or didn't think it would help him.
Reading Ds is obviously #1 but arm strength can bail you out if you read wrong sometimes or the coverage was there.
See Favre
There isn't or wasn't a QB that ever lived that didn't wish he had a stronger arm or didn't think it would help him.
This post was edited on 7/3/17 at 12:53 am
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