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re: Where did the Big 12 go wrong?
Posted on 7/23/21 at 9:48 am to jlovel7
Posted on 7/23/21 at 9:48 am to jlovel7
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I’d have to think the single biggest mistake is ceding too much power to Texas and letting them have their own network. Suffocating a shot for a big 12 network
You hit the nail on the frickin head.
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Posted on 7/23/21 at 9:48 am to jlovel7
I think ceding power to Texas is the biggest issue, because it deprived funding to other schools who needed it.
K State, Iowa St, TTU... these are schools that do not have traditionally strong athletic fundraising or endowments.
OK State used to be like that too until T Boone started giving all his money to it. So they are stronger financially but only because of one person.
Baylor is their Vandy. If the SEC treated Vandy as a lesser financially, they would struggle too.
TCU has grown by leaps and bounds but they are still a class below the major programs.
Kansas and WV, neither really fit with the other schools.
That leaves OU and Texas. Both are strong programs... but both have struggled to find major success in athletics. OU beats Texas and a weak Big XII only to get the doors blown off of them in the CFP.
The Big XII is a daddy, momma, and 8 weak little sisters, if we are being honest.
K State, Iowa St, TTU... these are schools that do not have traditionally strong athletic fundraising or endowments.
OK State used to be like that too until T Boone started giving all his money to it. So they are stronger financially but only because of one person.
Baylor is their Vandy. If the SEC treated Vandy as a lesser financially, they would struggle too.
TCU has grown by leaps and bounds but they are still a class below the major programs.
Kansas and WV, neither really fit with the other schools.
That leaves OU and Texas. Both are strong programs... but both have struggled to find major success in athletics. OU beats Texas and a weak Big XII only to get the doors blown off of them in the CFP.
The Big XII is a daddy, momma, and 8 weak little sisters, if we are being honest.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 9:49 am to jlovel7
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Where did the Big 12 go wrong?
The Big 12 went wrong by allowing their prime games to be played at 11am. See OU and Nebraska this year and OU/TX every year.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 10:07 am to theOG
Revenue reported by conference in 2020
B1G = $768 mil
SEC = $728 mil
PAC = $512 mil
ACC = $497 mil
Big 12 = $412 mil
This is where they went wrong. Adding insult to injury, Texas and OU get the majority of that 412 million. Pretty self explanatory.
B1G = $768 mil
SEC = $728 mil
PAC = $512 mil
ACC = $497 mil
Big 12 = $412 mil
This is where they went wrong. Adding insult to injury, Texas and OU get the majority of that 412 million. Pretty self explanatory.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 10:20 am to jlovel7
I think it was damned from the beginning. The B12 was just Texas trying to maintain it's position as a bully after they blew up the SWC.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 10:29 am to OweO
They were never the Big 12. And Big 10 was taken. They had a chance to get there but said no to Houston twice and with TAMU lighting up the city of Houston TVs for SEC games, they should have allowed Houston back in. Houston has the potential to be so much more than what they've become. SMU was a college force and an invite back to the Big 12-2 would have fired up days of the Pony express.
They were an inclusive club of very average teams historically and traditionally. Oklahoma had all the trophies and they brought most of those from the old Big 8 conference with Nebraska.
They were an inclusive club of very average teams historically and traditionally. Oklahoma had all the trophies and they brought most of those from the old Big 8 conference with Nebraska.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 11:27 am to OweO
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Those programs leaving, especially Missouri, shrunk their value (because of the KC media market).
this is just wrong.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 11:31 am to jlovel7
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Where did the Big 12 go wrong?
1. Moving their headquarters from Kansas City Mo to the DFW metro area.
2. The LHN
3. Not adding Louisville and Notre Dame or Cincy if Notre Dame said no back in '12 when they added WVU.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 11:33 am to jlovel7
Everything Texas touches dies.
Do not want them in the SEC.
Do not want them in the SEC.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 11:43 am to V Bainbridge
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think it was damned from the beginning. The B12 was just Texas trying to maintain it's position as a bully after they blew up the SWC.
This. The Big 8 gave a life raft to 4 SWC teams and they (Texas) came in and thought they ran the show. The Big 8 schools should have sided with Nebraska from the get go to blunt Texas power grab.
It was destined to fail from the beginning because they didn't treat each other as equal partners.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 11:49 am to Oilfieldbiology
quote:Damn Commies.
SEC treats all teams the same revenue wise. Vandy makes the same as Alabama. Yeah technically bama gets screwed a little, but now people aren’t looking to bolt, keeping the conference strong and lifting everyone’s floor.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 11:54 am to bamameister
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SMU was a college force and an invite back to the Big 12-2 would have fired up days of the Pony express.
You've been shilling hard for SMU lately. What have they done in football the last 40 years? One 10 win season?
No one cares about SMU athletics. Each time we play at SMU we bring more fans than SMU does. And we have the 2nd smallest fan base in the P5.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 12:10 pm to jlovel7
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Where did the Big 12 go wrong?
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I’d have to think the single biggest mistake is ceding too much power to Texas and letting them have their own network. Suffocating a shot for a big 12 network. But as we know collapses or downfalls like this usually aren’t just one thing
Posted on 7/23/21 at 12:41 pm to AUCE05
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Why is its Texas' fault? Seems like the Kansas, ISU, etc types should have fully invested in their football programs
A lot easier said than done. All of these programs need to turn a profit to survive, and Texas demanded and received far more of the split than everyone else.
Nobody wants to play with the brat who hogs all of their toys and cries when they don't get their way.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 12:46 pm to jlovel7
It really started when Arkansas left the Southwest Conference, and some of the old SWC teams joined in with some of the old Big 8. OU and Nebraska never should have let Texas run the BigXII. From the start, they should have held out for allowing the old Prop 48 kids, and other issues, where they bowed to Texas.
Texas probably should have gone to the Pac 12 back then. They've always wanted to be seen as having higher academic standards than the football factories of the SEC, the Big 8, and their own old SWC. The Pac 12 or Big 10 is where they probably want to go. Less competition for one spot in both of those conferences than one of two, or three, possible SEC spots.
Texas probably should have gone to the Pac 12 back then. They've always wanted to be seen as having higher academic standards than the football factories of the SEC, the Big 8, and their own old SWC. The Pac 12 or Big 10 is where they probably want to go. Less competition for one spot in both of those conferences than one of two, or three, possible SEC spots.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 12:55 pm to jlovel7
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Where did the Big 12 go wrong?
The Big 8 went wrong by thinking Texas would be a team player after fricking up the SWC.
The smoke from both Texas-induced wrecks should be a flashing red Danger sign to Sankey & Co.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 1:33 pm to usc6158
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they hadn’t allowed LHN, it just would have collapsed a decade ago instead of now
Texas would have gone independent, but Aggie, Nebraska, and Missouri would still be there and they would have equal revenue sharing and the conference would be in much better shape now.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 1:39 pm to VermilionTiger
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The Longhorn Network
I was going to say Texas, but basically the same thing.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 1:58 pm to teke184
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Texas and OU get the lion’s share and others get scraps IIRC
This is not true. Revenue split equally under the most recent tv deal. Tier 3 rights managed by the universities on their own.
This post was edited on 7/23/21 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 7/23/21 at 2:01 pm to Buckeye Backer
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Revenue reported by conference in 2020
B1G = $768 mil
SEC = $728 mil
PAC = $512 mil
ACC = $497 mil
Big 12 = $412 mil
This is where they went wrong. Adding insult to injury, Texas and OU get the majority of that 412 million. Pretty self explanatory.
This doesn't account for the number of teams in the conference. Do average revenue per team. The 412 million also doesn't include revenue generated from Tier 3 rights.
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