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re: When will college football realize they don’t need to give up their stars after 3-4 years?

Posted on 2/7/23 at 9:38 am to
Posted by Ralph_Wiggum
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Posted on 2/7/23 at 9:38 am to
More likely football players and some other sports will be on scholarship, allowed to have NIL and be payed like any other student employee who is on academic scholarship and works in the cafeteria or library to help pay the bills.

When that happens you will really see a two-tiered college football situation. No way ULL (USL) and La Tech can afford both athletic scholarships, player salaries, coaches and staff salaries, and the money for facilities.
Posted by Basura Blanco
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Posted on 2/7/23 at 10:00 am to
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When that happens you will really see a two-tiered college football situation. No way ULL (USL) and La Tech can afford both athletic scholarships, player salaries, coaches and staff salaries, and the money for facilities.


I can see the NCAA differentiating football from all other sports, or losing their position as the governing body over D-1 football all together. They have already lost any direct involvement in the college playoff. Hell, their name isn't even on the trophy.

The only reason it hasn't happened is college football is too Conference centric to come to any type of consensus on change, and to a lesser extent, college presidents.
Posted by chalmetteowl
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Posted on 2/7/23 at 10:01 am to
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When that happens you will really see a two-tiered college football situation. No way ULL (USL) and La Tech can afford both athletic scholarships, player salaries, coaches and staff salaries, and the money for facilities.


College football has always had conferences considered “Major” and conferences considered minor playing in the same division
Posted by Stealth Matrix
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Posted on 2/7/23 at 11:04 am to
The college record books would have to be split in two: 4-year amateur era, and professional era.
Posted by Thundercles
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Posted on 2/7/23 at 5:18 pm to
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The curriculum for just about all college undergrad degrees is based on a four year time frame and I don't ever see non-students playing college football


Then you take into consideration all the students who took advantage of the master's transfer rule. They could go to taking four years to complete undergrad to five or six, and then a master's program, then hey I want another undergrad. Just lifelong students also playing ball on the weekends. Beautiful absurdity.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
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Posted on 2/7/23 at 5:23 pm to
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Once that happens, players will be employees of the school, not necessarily students


What makes you think the college football fans would support a sport that's no longer connected to the school?

And if you think they will, they why has no other minor league in any sport been successful in United States history, without heavy subsidies from the parent league? They are just developmental leagues that don't need to be profitable.

You think the Baton Rouge Tigers would be as popular as the current LSU Tigers?

I personally wouldn't give a shite nor spend a penny on them.

The reason college sports are popular is their connection to the university. Sever that tie and it's over.
Posted by Purple Crayola
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Posted on 2/7/23 at 5:24 pm to
What do you mean "coming" it is already here.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
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Posted on 2/7/23 at 5:31 pm to
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The NCAA will be told to go frick itself soon


The NCAA is ran by college presidents. Who is going to tell them to go frick themselves?


Title 9 would prevent most of this wet dream from happening if it were even the least bit realistic, but it's not.

If I, as a college fan, wanted pro football, why wouldn't I just watch the NFL?

The idea that college football is guaranteed its fan base and money, regardless of potential drastic changes, is ludicrous.
Posted by InkStainedWretch
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Posted on 2/7/23 at 7:53 pm to
It amazes me that fans, apparently with the utmost sincerity, believe university presidents would allow what is being discussed here to take place in this or any known solar system.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
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Posted on 2/7/23 at 8:26 pm to
The posters on this board are mostly NFL fans and can’t understand why all sports aren’t like the NFL.
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
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Posted on 2/7/23 at 11:20 pm to
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You are clueless lol


No. The clueless ones are the people like you, who can't seem to comprehend that schools aren't paying players. That's not a bag that will ever be opened, like the OP is suggesting.

1 - Not many schools are bringing in tons of money. The schools themselves can not afford to pay players.

2 - if you start paying football players from the school, title 9 comes into play. Now you have to equal that pay across women's sports. That's impossible to do.

To get around all that, you have to pretty much start a new professional league.

1 - that doesn't fix NIL. Players would still be able to get NIL money, and would make more at school A than school B. So having a salary cap would not ultimately solve anything.

2 - how do the other professional football leagues work out? The NFL would crush it. The NFL could basically say, ok we are starting a developmental league for players to play in until they reach a certain age. Now your college league is dead.

Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
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Posted on 2/7/23 at 11:23 pm to
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More likely football players and some other sports will be on scholarship, allowed to have NIL and be payed like any other student employee who is on academic scholarship and works in the cafeteria or library to help pay the bills


They already do, and have been for a while. It's called stipends.
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 2/7/23 at 11:25 pm to
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It amazes me that fans, apparently with the utmost sincerity, believe university presidents would allow what is being discussed here to take place in this or any known solar system


I'm starting to believe that the people making these arguments aren't even from this solar system.
Posted by RidiculousHype
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 2:35 pm to
I don't necessarily disagree with any of your points. Your post is completely logical, like USC and UCLA playing in the Pac-12 instead of the Big 10. But one thing we've learned is when it comes to big money and college football, logic is the first thing to get thrown out the window.


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2 - how do the other professional football leagues work out? The NFL would crush it. The NFL could basically say, ok we are starting a developmental league for players to play in until they reach a certain age. Now your college league is dead.


This is why I could see the NFL partnering with the 30 or so biggest revenue CFB programs to head this off. These schools would obviously have to leave the NCAA, and schools (or booster groups) directly paying players with no cap on eligibility is years away, if it ever happens. But if there is ever a true NFL Minor League, why not go to places that already have the facilities, fan support, locations, etc in place?
This post was edited on 2/13/23 at 2:39 pm
Posted by chalmetteowl
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 3:12 pm to
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I could see the NFL partnering with the 30 or so biggest revenue CFB programs to head this off. These schools would obviously have to leave the NCAA, and schools (or booster groups) directly paying players with no cap on eligibility is years away, if it ever happens. But if there is ever a true NFL Minor League, why not go to places that already have the facilities, fan support, locations, etc in place?


We really think in this scenario with almost equal revenue and stadiums, that the big college programs would accept being “minor league”?
Posted by Globetrotter747
Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 4:46 pm to
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You think the Baton Rouge Tigers would be as popular as the current LSU Tigers?

I personally wouldn't give a shite nor spend a penny on them.

The reason college sports are popular is their connection to the university. Sever that tie and it's over.

The player needs the university’s logo, and the university needs the player’s talent.

The Baton Rouge Tigers may not make much money, but the LSU Tigers with a roster of walk-on level talent aren’t going to be a hot ticket either.
Posted by RidiculousHype
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Posted on 11/30/23 at 3:32 pm to
People are starting to realize OP is correct

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The next big antitrust lawsuit that’s coming in college sports? Players only getting four or five years of eligibility. Some top players can make more in college than NFL and get JDs, MBAs or even MDs. Guys are going to want to play for 7, 8 or 9 years. Get ready for it.
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Posted on 11/30/23 at 4:24 pm to
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