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re: What’s preventing Alabama from reaching national bandwagon fan status like Miami
Posted on 10/24/17 at 2:09 pm to Packer
Posted on 10/24/17 at 2:09 pm to Packer
It's because they're Catholic.
Back in the 60s,when I was a kid, the Notre Dame playback would be televised every Sunday morning...this was in Mobile, Al., a city that is 30% Catholic.
While there are other Catholic universities, Notre Dame far and away has the greatest football tradition.
Back in the 60s,when I was a kid, the Notre Dame playback would be televised every Sunday morning...this was in Mobile, Al., a city that is 30% Catholic.
While there are other Catholic universities, Notre Dame far and away has the greatest football tradition.
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Posted on 10/24/17 at 2:11 pm to BowDownToLSU
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coach is a little prick
The team is an embodiment of their coach.
The bandwagon audience loved Miami because Jimmy Johnson was a bad arse and his players backed up his attitude on the field.
It's hard to pull for Alabama when the coach thinks he's freakin' Napoleon and his team is so clinical and precise in their execution. There's no personality or compelling figures on the team.
Posted on 10/24/17 at 2:12 pm to SCLibertarian
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Miami's appeal was to young black kids and urban white kids who hated or eschewed the traditionalism of college football in the early 1980's. They revolutionized college football by, in a sense, fusing it with hip-hop culture. Even at traditional, southern football schools today, you hear hip-hop music all the time. That's the U's influence imo. Miami's bandwagon fan status is as much cultural as anything else.
This is the correct answer.
Bama has been absolutely great over nearly a decade, but dominating a sport doesn’t equate to transcending it, which is what the U did.
Posted on 10/24/17 at 2:12 pm to Paul Allen
Saban is the GOAT, but Alabama is pretty boring. Small market also.
Posted on 10/24/17 at 2:13 pm to Perfect Circle
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It's because they're Catholic.
Back in the 60s,when I was a kid, the Notre Dame playback would be televised every Sunday morning...this was in Mobile, Al., a city that is 30% Catholic.
While there are other Catholic universities, Notre Dame far and away has the greatest football tradition.
So is Georgetown, Villanova, and Boston College. Neither of these had exclusive rights TV deals. Not saying the fact that they are a Catholic university hasn't been a factor, but the TV deals have helped them equally as much as any other catholic university.
Posted on 10/24/17 at 2:22 pm to Packer
Those other schools didnt have the history or tradition of ND. It's hard to describe on a message board post what Notre Dame represented to older generations of ethnic Catholics in this country. That following is a major part if their TV deals and historic bowl favoritism. We're going kinda chicken and egg here.
Posted on 10/24/17 at 2:23 pm to Paul Allen
Notre Dame is THE National Catholic University, and always had a country-wide recruiting program.
Miami was located in a major American city, was coming of age at the same time the rap scene was booming. Rappers all wore Starter Jackets with the U on it and a bunch of white kids loved it.
FSU was so dominant, and also had a bit of the rap game going as well.
Alabama is in a poor state and is still very much a regional program - most of their recruits come from the South. They pick off a few from other areas (like Tua) but still mainly southern players. Whereas Bowden and Johnson were flashy coaches, Saban is not. Plus Alabama is in the SEC, and everyone not in the SEC, hates the SEC.
Miami was located in a major American city, was coming of age at the same time the rap scene was booming. Rappers all wore Starter Jackets with the U on it and a bunch of white kids loved it.
FSU was so dominant, and also had a bit of the rap game going as well.
Alabama is in a poor state and is still very much a regional program - most of their recruits come from the South. They pick off a few from other areas (like Tua) but still mainly southern players. Whereas Bowden and Johnson were flashy coaches, Saban is not. Plus Alabama is in the SEC, and everyone not in the SEC, hates the SEC.
Posted on 10/24/17 at 2:25 pm to PowerTool
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It's hard to describe on a message board post what Notre Dame represented to older generations of ethnic Catholics in this country.
I'll concede then. I'm only 31 so I can admit that I can't speak for the older generations. I know my dad hated Notre Dame because they were the team that was always on when CFB wasn't widely televised, but then again he wasn't a devout catholic.
Posted on 10/24/17 at 2:25 pm to Paul Allen
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You’d think with their recent dominance, people nationwide would be hopping onto their fan base and wearing Alabama gear.
The South? Bama's history of intolerance? Their fanbase stereotyped as hicks and sister frickers?
It ain't too cool to sister frick. Not many people want to hop on that stereotype.
No but seriously, Bama carries a lot of baggage to be a bandwagon fan. And a lot of people just can't identify with the Deep South if you are Northeast...where most bandwagon fans of CFB come from because they don't have their own dominant teams.
This post was edited on 10/24/17 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 10/24/17 at 2:29 pm to RLDSC FAN
This. They're boring as shite
Posted on 10/24/17 at 2:30 pm to EmperorGout
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Literally the only positive thing Alabama has going for it nationally is college football. On all other fronts it’s considered a shitty backwards place associated with the worst parts of our history.
I was going to say something biting to you but unfortunately your entire post is correct. It simply isn't cool to associate with Alabama as it is places like LA or Miami.
Posted on 10/24/17 at 2:34 pm to Packer
Yes, you're right; it's a combination of the two.
Posted on 10/24/17 at 2:39 pm to I Bleed Garnet
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Posted on 10/24/17 at 2:57 pm to SCLibertarian
Miami was also throwing the ball downfield in the 80’s with a wide open offense, while a lot of the other big programs were still running the option or veer.
Alabama is a machine that just wears out teams. Very different style.
Alabama is a machine that just wears out teams. Very different style.
Posted on 10/24/17 at 3:12 pm to Paul Allen
It's already happening. Go out and about in BR and you'll likely find someone wearing Bama gear. It's primarily black people, but not exclusively.
15 years ago you rarely saw anyone wearing Bama gear in and around Louisiana. Now it's not uncommon at all. Hell, just last week I was at a conference in NOLA where the speaker was wearing a Bama bracelet. People were making small talk with him after his speech and talking about Bama football (you know, because he had the bracelet on). Someone asked him who Bama was playing tomorrow (the conf. was last Friday). His response was "I don't know. Arkansas, I think."
Being the a-hole that I am I chime in and say "No. They're playing Tennessee. I thought that was supposed to be some BIG rivalry?"
This guy is a self avowed HUGE Bama fan, yet had no idea Bama was playing the game that essentially dictates the scheduling format for the entire SEC.
15 years ago you rarely saw anyone wearing Bama gear in and around Louisiana. Now it's not uncommon at all. Hell, just last week I was at a conference in NOLA where the speaker was wearing a Bama bracelet. People were making small talk with him after his speech and talking about Bama football (you know, because he had the bracelet on). Someone asked him who Bama was playing tomorrow (the conf. was last Friday). His response was "I don't know. Arkansas, I think."
Being the a-hole that I am I chime in and say "No. They're playing Tennessee. I thought that was supposed to be some BIG rivalry?"
This guy is a self avowed HUGE Bama fan, yet had no idea Bama was playing the game that essentially dictates the scheduling format for the entire SEC.
Posted on 10/24/17 at 3:14 pm to Ghost of Colby
I think it's mainly a southern douchebag thing. Guy I went to school with never once mentioned Bama and now he wears Bama gear and even has an A on his truck. He's just a weird jackass so it makes sense that he'd go that route.
It's almost like the kid in school that everybody knew was gay and you're just waiting for him to come out of the closet and make it official. That's how new Bama fans are born.
It's almost like the kid in school that everybody knew was gay and you're just waiting for him to come out of the closet and make it official. That's how new Bama fans are born.
Posted on 10/24/17 at 3:16 pm to Packer
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When they were the only team on ABC from the 50's on and then NBC from the 90's on, it will garner some fans.
Well how do you think they got these exclusive TV deals? They didn't just get picked out of a hat.
Posted on 10/24/17 at 3:19 pm to SCLibertarian
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Miami's appeal was to young black kids and urban white kids who hated or eschewed the traditionalism of college football in the early 1980's. They revolutionized college football by, in a sense, fusing it with hip-hop culture. Even at traditional, southern football schools today, you hear hip-hop music all the time. That's the U's influence imo. Miami's bandwagon fan status is as much cultural as anything else.
Miami's popularity was generally among the younger generation of the 80's and early 90's. My dad's generation (baby boomers) hated Miami, and they still do. What teams do the teenagers of today follow, outside of their local teams? I live in Alabama, so naturally it's pretty much all Bama and some Auburn.
Posted on 10/24/17 at 3:21 pm to Paul Allen
When you think of Miami, swag comes to mind. When you think of Alabama, Harvey Updyke and ludicrous national title claims come to mind.
Posted on 10/24/17 at 3:23 pm to Bankshot
I agree. More white kids in south Louisiana wore Miami gear than LSU stuff back in the 90’s. It was almost like a fashion statement.
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