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Posted on 2/19/19 at 6:42 pm to TidenUP
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cars that look basically the same with different manufacturers logo on them.
Didn't at one time you have to be able to buy the car on the lot for it to qualify to race in NASCAR? They need to get back to that.
Run a friggin Ford Fusion or Mustang against an actual Chevy Camaro against an actual Toyota Supra or Camry. One that is made, albeit in limited numbers, for sale.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 6:48 pm to Grassy1
The lack of different cars. You only have chevy, ford and Toyota. You used to have ford, mercury, Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Chrysler, dodge, Plymouth, chevy, and Buick.
They gave up on the shorter southern tracks. You can have two races in Michigan as long as you keep the other races. Adding Chicago was stupid when you have two races in Michigan. DFW was never going to be a NASCAR market. Kansas City was dumb. One race a year at Riverside was enough.
It also got too expensive and cut down on the number of sponsors.
They gave up on the shorter southern tracks. You can have two races in Michigan as long as you keep the other races. Adding Chicago was stupid when you have two races in Michigan. DFW was never going to be a NASCAR market. Kansas City was dumb. One race a year at Riverside was enough.
It also got too expensive and cut down on the number of sponsors.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 7:00 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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The fad faded, the "new fans" left and the core fans were taken for granted and abandoned.
I think this is true. In the early 00s it was pretty cool to like NASCAR. Merica' and all that. We were at war, it was patriotic as frick, and tons of non-rednecks got into it for a little bit. As a broad-appeal spectator sport, it was a fad.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 7:09 pm to KiwiHead
Dale died on national television on the sports main stage. A bit like a greyhound catching the rabbit, fans were burned after that.
Same thing will happen when football has an on field death in the NFL or a big college game.
Same thing will happen when football has an on field death in the NFL or a big college game.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 7:17 pm to NewBR
When NASCAR went to this playoff/chase format they made the last 10 weeks more important than the regular season. Now it made the last 10 weeks more dramatic, but look at when they are running those races, right in the middle of the NFL season. So they basically made the regular season less important, meaning fans didn't have to watch every race like they did before. And now when it finally got important in the playoffs most people were more interested in the NFL.
Gordon, Jr, Smoke retiring didn't help, but what they need to do is shorten the season. End it on Labor Day, start it in January out west. Still do Daytona in Feb and start doing mid-week short track races in the late Spring when there's no sports on TV other than regional MLB games
Gordon, Jr, Smoke retiring didn't help, but what they need to do is shorten the season. End it on Labor Day, start it in January out west. Still do Daytona in Feb and start doing mid-week short track races in the late Spring when there's no sports on TV other than regional MLB games
Posted on 2/19/19 at 7:18 pm to NewBR
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Dale died on national television on the sports main stage. A bit like a greyhound catching the rabbit, fans were burned after that.
Not going to say it didn't contribute, but I think NASCAR probably hit its peak in the years that followed.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 7:19 pm to Grassy1
For me, it was the C.O.T./restrictor plate racing. Five hundred miles of 2 lane drafting ain't all that interesting. I'll watch some of the southern races like Martinsville or Talladega. If I happen to see a road course race, I'll change the channel with the quickness.
Daytona being broken into stages felt weird--why can't they just run the damn race? Anyone know if that's a permanent fixture?
Also really disliked Danica Patrick being shoved down our throats.
Daytona being broken into stages felt weird--why can't they just run the damn race? Anyone know if that's a permanent fixture?
Also really disliked Danica Patrick being shoved down our throats.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 7:23 pm to Pettifogger
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Not going to say it didn't contribute, but I think NASCAR probably hit its peak in the years that followed.
Agree. NASCAR became its most popular after Dale Sr died. I think a lot of people tuned in to see how Dale Jr did after losing his dad. That's part of the reason he became God-like. He was the perfect personality for what nascar needed. I think it all started to change for NASCAR when he went form DEI to the "evil empire" Hendrick. He started a slump and fans never really came back, even though Jr eventually started winning again. Then when he, Gordon and Stewart retired it was over. NASCAR is going to have to restructure everything
Posted on 2/19/19 at 7:28 pm to Grassy1
They tried to expand their fanbase and didn't realize that they're a niche sport. They abandoned their core fans and paid the price for it.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 7:30 pm to Grassy1
In a word, corporatization of the sport. It has ruined professional sports. Nascar, the NFL and the NBA don't even resemble the leagues I grew up watching.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 7:34 pm to KiwiHead
Lack of car failures
Cars suck
Cars suck
Posted on 2/19/19 at 7:40 pm to Grassy1
It was a Boomer sport, and Boomers chose Facebook and Netflix over everything else.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 7:54 pm to Grassy1
Alienated their real fans when they expanded and got too big in the early 00s. They need to quit acting like they're a nationwide thing (similar to college baseball fans 
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Posted on 2/19/19 at 7:58 pm to bamarep
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They grew too big too fast and lost their core fanbase along the way.
They stopped going to many of the grassroots tracks in the SouthEast, the same tracks that was producing a good majority of their drivers in favor of the casual fan in the Midwest and Left Coast.
Plus, they brought too many pretty boy drivers up too fast that had shite for talent looking for the next Jeff Gordon.
Plus, for many years in their quest to make things "equal" they put a terrible product on the track. That Car of Tomorrow is one of the biggest boondoggles in sports history. My God those things were awful
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I was all about NASCAR from the 80s to mid-00s and love watching the old races from the 60s and 70s. Also loved Indy until the split with CART.
May grab a glance every now and then, but it's not just see.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 7:59 pm to Grassy1
I remember hearing that lame crap about how it was the fastest growing sport and it's fans would compare it to football. It was a fad that lasted a bit longer than the poker fad.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 8:02 pm to udtiger
And don't forget the Danica experiment that went to shite no matter how hard they tried to sell it.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 8:04 pm to Traveler
See I thought Danica racing was a good thing because it gave someone to root against. Like you'd watch a race just to see her crash out and throw a hissy fit.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 8:05 pm to Korin
Good point. Posted on 2/19/19 at 8:05 pm to FCP
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Daytona being broken into stages felt weird--why can't they just run the damn race? Anyone know if that's a permanent fixture?
That's how they do it now. You basically have 3 mini races, and you get extra points for winning a "stage". It's stupid.
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