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re: What caused NASCAR to crash and almost burn?
Posted on 2/20/19 at 9:54 am to Bama Shadow
Posted on 2/20/19 at 9:54 am to Bama Shadow
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A lot of great answers in this thread already but I will also add the car culture has really declined in this country the last 10-20 years as well.
This is a big part of NASCAR’s issue, too, especially in attracting younger fans. People just aren’t as interested in cars anymore. People aren’t watching to see how their favorite car manufacturer does, because they have no favorite. One of the big things for NASCAR fans was that, other than wanting to see your favorite driver win, you wanted to see your favorite manufacturer win.
This post was edited on 2/20/19 at 9:56 am
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Posted on 2/20/19 at 10:13 am to purplepylon
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Agree. NASCAR became its most popular after Dale Sr died. I think a lot of people tuned in to see how Dale Jr did after losing his dad. That's part of the reason he became God-like. He was the perfect personality for what nascar needed. I think it all started to change for NASCAR when he went form DEI to the "evil empire" Hendrick. He started a slump and fans never really came back, even though Jr eventually started winning again. Then when he, Gordon and Stewart retired it was over. NASCAR is going to have to restructure everything
I think the Dale, Sr / Jeff Gordon rivalry really jumped the sport to a new level in the mid to late 90's. Then, after Dale, Sr passed, Jr. versus Hendrick was the spectacle for many fans, especially in the South. I was at the 2007 Talladega Spring race when the Jr. fans were throwing cans at Gordon's car.
It seemed like it turned when Jr. went to Hendrick 2008. Suddenly, the intensity of the rivalry wasn't there anymore and eventually vanished altogether.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 10:23 am to Grassy1
Weirdly enough I actually started watching last season and now I'm pretty hooked. Never watched a race in my life before last year's Daytona 
While my prior knowledge of NASCAR is certainly limited, it does seem like most of the downfall can be put on Brian France. Luckily, Jim seems to be pushing the company in the right direction every time news is dumped, and it's honestly got me really excited for the Gen-7 moves coming in 2021.
Not just a new car, but a revamped schedule could really help the sport
While my prior knowledge of NASCAR is certainly limited, it does seem like most of the downfall can be put on Brian France. Luckily, Jim seems to be pushing the company in the right direction every time news is dumped, and it's honestly got me really excited for the Gen-7 moves coming in 2021.
Not just a new car, but a revamped schedule could really help the sport
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But Penske says Gen-7 also refers to the future of series schedules, replete with more short tracks and road courses, in addition to shorter races and a shorter overall schedule.
He says Gen-7 represents the beginning of a new NASCAR.
"I think we're really talking about Gen-7 for NASCAR and not just the car or engine," Penske said. "I think it's the show. It's the length of the races. It's where we're going to run. Are we going to run more races at night? Short tracks? Let's call it Gen-7 for NASCAR and not just the car."
Posted on 2/20/19 at 10:30 am to Harry Caray
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"I think we're really talking about Gen-7 for NASCAR and not just the car or engine," Penske said. "I think it's the show. It's the length of the races. It's where we're going to run. Are we going to run more races at night? Short tracks? Let's call it Gen-7 for NASCAR and not just the car."
Thank god. There should be two races that are more than 400 miles. The Coke 600 and Daytona 500. All other races need to be 400 or fewer.
How the hell can anyone watch the middle 300 miles of a 500 mile race on a cookie cutter 1.5mile track and not die of boredom?
Posted on 2/20/19 at 10:36 am to Grassy1
NASCAR's true peak
Posted on 2/20/19 at 10:45 am to Haughton99
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There should be two races that are more than 400 miles. The Coke 600 and Daytona 500. All other races need to be 400 or fewer.
I would add the Southern 500, Bristol, and Martinsville to that list of races that should stay 500 miles.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 11:00 am to CobraCommander83
quote:Don't forget the Talladegas, granted the second from last year was a bust.
There should be two races that are more than 400 miles. The Coke 600 and Daytona 500. All other races need to be 400 or fewer.
I would add the Southern 500, Bristol, and Martinsville to that list of races that should stay 500 miles.
I'd also HIGHLY recommend checking out a truck series race when you've got shite else to do on a Friday night. Shorter races, harder for the drivers to drive, and only a 23 race schedule. Hell even find a replay of their Daytona 250 race last week, that had some fantastic racing as well as the inevitable wreck fest.
Aside from that, the Eldora Dirt Derby (August 1st this year) is must-watch for anyone who remotely enjoys racing. It's literally trucks drifting on dirt for 75 miles.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 11:01 am to UncleFestersLegs
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F1 understands the fans love 3 things. The competitor, the machine and the venue. Ferrari, Senna, Spa. People will tune it for any of the three but they will stop everything for all of them at once.
I think F1 might be falling into the same trap. They're trying to expand outside of their traditional fanbase (Europe), which is fine as long as they don't alienate that fanbase in the process. We're seeing more and more races on temporary street circuits in places like Baku and Sochi (and next year in Hanoi) at the expense of places like Nurburgring. Even Silverstone is not sacred.
Obviously Liberty want to grow the sport but they're trying to do it on the cheap. If the racing ends up suffering even more than it already is, they could find themselves in the same boat as NASCAR.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 11:09 am to Harry Caray
Forgot about talladega for some reason. It’s also a shame that tracks like Rockingham and North Wilkesboro closed when NASCAR moved races from there. There was some great racing going on at those tracks and it is sad those tracks didn’t have the market NASCAR was wanting to keep.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 11:31 am to CobraCommander83
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Forgot about talladega for some reason. It’s also a shame that tracks like Rockingham and North Wilkesboro closed when NASCAR moved races from there. There was some great racing going on at those tracks and it is sad those tracks didn’t have the market NASCAR was wanting to keep.
For now... but something tells me The Rock may be considered for Gen-7
Posted on 2/20/19 at 11:32 am to Grassy1
They promised me a super speedway in the LP before Tony retired.
frick dem.
frick dem.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 12:14 pm to CobraCommander83
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I would add the Southern 500, Bristol, and Martinsville to that list of races that should stay 500 miles.
Bristol and Martinsville were never 500 miles. They've always been 500 lap/250-ish mile races.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 12:15 pm to MountainTiger
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I think F1 might be falling into the same trap. They're trying to expand outside of their traditional fanbase (Europe), which is fine as long as they don't alienate that fanbase in the process. We're seeing more and more races on temporary street circuits in places like Baku and Sochi (and next year in Hanoi) at the expense of places like Nurburgring. Even Silverstone is not sacred.
Obviously Liberty want to grow the sport but they're trying to do it on the cheap. If the racing ends up suffering even more than it already is, they could find themselves in the same boat as NASCAR.
I love the Baku race. Usually, the most unpredictable race of the season.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 12:39 pm to Grassy1
Races aren't nearly as competitive as they once were. It's no longer about winning the race, it's about the long game and arguably more or just as important, not wrecking the equipment.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 12:56 pm to auzach91
That’s about the time I stopped watching. When jimmy johnson basically took over it got boring.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 1:06 pm to Harry Caray
It might be a possibility one day but that track still needs a ton of work done to it. I could see the trucks and maybe the Xfinity series returning and maybe that would create the buzz to get the Cup series back.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 1:25 pm to Grassy1
Jimmie Johnson happened.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 2:01 pm to Grassy1
I think not one thing but several events in a short time frame
Loss of characters and star power via untimely death (Sr of course but also of Adam Petty) and retirement
Loss of brand identity: fans loved drivers and makes. It was best of both worlds...you could capture fans who followed a driver or fans of a make. Nascar lost key characters and brand distinction and part of that is on FORD CHEVY. No one looked at a Taurus and thought that was a race car but at least I could look at it and say " that's a Ford and Im a Ford guy" now...I see the blue oval and "i guess that is a ford"
But Nascar lost its own brand. Superstars living in NYC? The irony was "invading" NYC for the wknd for a banquet but then leaving - not becoming a new yorker.
Throw in a the economic crash...changing of the guard from those that built it from nothing to those that never wanted for nothing and voila...they lost people's attention.
Loss of characters and star power via untimely death (Sr of course but also of Adam Petty) and retirement
Loss of brand identity: fans loved drivers and makes. It was best of both worlds...you could capture fans who followed a driver or fans of a make. Nascar lost key characters and brand distinction and part of that is on FORD CHEVY. No one looked at a Taurus and thought that was a race car but at least I could look at it and say " that's a Ford and Im a Ford guy" now...I see the blue oval and "i guess that is a ford"
But Nascar lost its own brand. Superstars living in NYC? The irony was "invading" NYC for the wknd for a banquet but then leaving - not becoming a new yorker.
Throw in a the economic crash...changing of the guard from those that built it from nothing to those that never wanted for nothing and voila...they lost people's attention.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 3:56 pm to Vestigial Morgan
The frickin' free pass killed it !! God damn that is a fricked up rule
Posted on 2/20/19 at 4:52 pm to Pfft
A family business typically fails in the third generation.
Brian France is the third generation.
Brian France is the third generation.
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