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Posted on 8/10/14 at 11:47 am to Topwater Trout
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Knowing TS hot headed past I think he was trying to scare the guy and it went wrong. Both have some responsibility in this.
Yup
Posted on 8/10/14 at 11:49 am to Topwater Trout
quote:Sure. Just ignore the other guy who almost hit him.
Knowing TS hot headed past I think he was trying to scare the guy and it went wrong.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 11:49 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
Yep. It happens. Congrats, you changed what we were talking about so that you were right.
But when we were referring to "this", we were talking about what this guy did. Running towards a car that's coming at you out of a turn when it hasn't gotten down to caution speed. We said it's rare. And I've only seen 1 or 2 examples of it listed here in NASCAR. I would call that rare.
But when we were referring to "this", we were talking about what this guy did. Running towards a car that's coming at you out of a turn when it hasn't gotten down to caution speed. We said it's rare. And I've only seen 1 or 2 examples of it listed here in NASCAR. I would call that rare.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 11:49 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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That drivers get out on the track in nascar
Wait...are down to drivers JUST getting out of their cars or drivers getting out and doing what Ward does because I have been talking about the latter the whole time.
You seem to be oversimplifying it now in order to "win" an argument.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 11:50 am to SlowFlowPro
Who knows what Stewart could or couldn't see in the moments leading up to the impact? Stewart's focus may have been on one or more of the other vehicles. He may not have anticipated Ward coming toward his car until it was unavoidable to hit him, and Stewart's reaction when he became aware of it was a natural sprint car driver's reaction to try and avoid a head on impact.
I'm not trying to make an excuse for Stewart, but all of the people claiming they know what was going on in Stewart's mind are full of crap. The video evidence is from the perspective of an off track observer. It is not the same as the perspective from within Stewart's car, nor from Stewart's line of sight.
I'm not trying to make an excuse for Stewart, but all of the people claiming they know what was going on in Stewart's mind are full of crap. The video evidence is from the perspective of an off track observer. It is not the same as the perspective from within Stewart's car, nor from Stewart's line of sight.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 11:50 am to tylercsbn9
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I assume the people crucifying TS in the thread are just people that already hated the dude. I don't think you can even charge him based on the video.
That seems to be the case. People that don't really follow the sport and watch the video seem to be more level headed about the entire situation. I watch ESPN highlights and I know Stewart has a reputation but that doesn't make him a murderer.
Kid shouldn't have been on the track. He's an idiot, that doesn't change because he's dead. He's a dead idiot. He doesn't sashay his dumb arse onto the track, none of this happens.
Stewart doesn't look like he tried to avoid him but was that affected by visibility or the fact that he was trying to spin dirt in his face? Don't know that either side can be proven, which is why this case will go nowhere. Unless you have tape of Stewart saying he was going to get this guy they have jack shite.
This post was edited on 8/10/14 at 11:52 am
Posted on 8/10/14 at 11:50 am to ell_13
No you guys changed it. Stout said that it does not happen.
And please see Seleck's Moustache pic which shows someone doing exactly what happened last night
And please see Seleck's Moustache pic which shows someone doing exactly what happened last night
Posted on 8/10/14 at 11:51 am to Archie Bengal Bunker
My first reaction was frick Tony Stewart. After watching the video, the guy that got hit was a complete moron. He literally tried to get in front of Stewart, and it looks like Stewart just tried to swerve to miss the idiot asking to be hit and lost control of the car just enough.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 11:51 am to PortCityTiger24
quote:Jesus. I'm the one saying there isn't enough evidence in the video for any conclusions other than Ward being an idiot for going after a moving vehicle. And I don't know how many more times I have to state that we only have a single video to judge this...
You seem to think this is black and white when there are obviously more variables. Im not trying to blindly back one side of an argument or another to win the internet. Keep doing your thing.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 11:52 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
quote:"exactly"
And please see Seleck's Moustache pic which shows someone doing exactly what happened last night
No. How fast were they going? Was he moving toward them? Did those drivers have spotters? Looks daylight to me. Concrete, not dirt.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 11:52 am to stout
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When I see wrecks, unless the car is about to blow up, the drivers usually stay in their car and wait on things to be cleared and the crew to come help them out of the vehicle but that's just me I guess. Maybe I am watching the wrong races. I apparently need to watch the ones sponsored by the WWE.
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Posted on 8/10/14 at 11:53 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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please see Seleck's Moustache pic which shows someone doing exactly what happened last night
In broad daylight. On a paved course. With spotters. At NASCAR caution speeds.
But yeah, besides that, exactly the same
Posted on 8/10/14 at 11:53 am to GRTiger
quote:I really hope this is the case but I'm having a hard time believing Tony Stewart doesn't know how to avoid hitting someone.
He literally tried to get in front of Stewart, and it looks like Stewart just tried to swerve to miss the idiot asking to be hit and lost control of the car just enough.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 11:54 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
quote:I know I'm not seeing things... that doesn't say "always" does it?
the drivers usually stay in their car and wait on things to be cleared and the crew to come help them out of the vehicle
Posted on 8/10/14 at 11:54 am to stout
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You seem to be oversimplifying it now in order to "win" an argument.
Yea, and you keep moving the ball to avoid admitting you were wrong. This was the very first exchange, I'll leave it at that.
quote:quote:
I have seen many wrecked drivers yelling, pointing, etc as the driver who put them in the wall came back around
Link?
Surely these are all over Youtube.
When I see wrecks, unless the car is about to blow up, the drivers usually stay in their car and wait on things to be cleared and the crew to come help them out of the vehicle but that's just me I guess. Maybe I am watching the wrong races.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 11:54 am to ell_13
Was he not a driver, moving towards another moving vehicle, on the track,potentially in the path of others? How far do you guys have to break this down to "win"
Should we investigate what kind of underwear they were wearing to make sure all conditions were even?
Should we investigate what kind of underwear they were wearing to make sure all conditions were even?
Posted on 8/10/14 at 11:54 am to Goldrush25
unless TS decided to be very forthcoming to the cops last night i don't see how you could charge him based on that video barring some sort of incriminating audio from TS helmet or something like that
Posted on 8/10/14 at 11:54 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
quote:
When I see wrecks, unless the car is about to blow up, the drivers usually stay in their car and wait on things to be cleared and the crew to come help them out of the vehicle but that's just me I guess. Maybe I am watching the wrong races. I apparently need to watch the ones sponsored by the WWE.
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I never said it doesn't happen. It simply doesn't happen as often as you stated and again what Ward done is SUPER rare.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 11:55 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
Not sure where he's wrong with that quote. He said they usually stay in their cars, which is true.
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