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Posted on 12/2/20 at 12:32 pm to
Posted by ProjectP2294
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Posted on 12/2/20 at 12:32 pm to
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He talking about the big white dude that just did what 99.9% of the WNBA can't do?


In his first year with the basketball team, Sylvia Fowles would have dominated him. By the end of his career, he would have dunked on her every time.

He probably couldn't beat big Syl or Seimone Augustus 1on1, because he couldn't put the ball on the floor. But within a team game, they wouldn't be able to compete.
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 12/2/20 at 12:33 pm to
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In his first year with the basketball team, Sylvia Fowles would have dominated him. By the end of his career, he would have dunked on her every time.

He probably couldn't beat big Syl or Seimone Augustus 1on1, because he couldn't put the ball on the floor. But within a team game, they wouldn't be able to compete.
Yeh that’s what I was getting at a little later
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 12/2/20 at 12:34 pm to
also didn’t LSU have a walk on a year ago from Uhigh who was like 5’8” and 140 lbs?

I have a hard time also thinking he would have been the WNBA GOAT
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 12/2/20 at 12:37 pm to
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But what about David Fleshman? 5’10” and was all district at Dunham? Do we think he would have been the best player in WNBA history?

Obviously I don't know anything about this dude. Doesn't mean he can shoot worth a shite, did he go to college at all?

If he at least went to college or was even on some D1 team radars, I'd think at the very least we can probably fairly assume he'd immediately be the most athletic, fastest, and could outjump any WNBA player right off the bat, right?
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
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Posted on 12/2/20 at 12:37 pm to
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Tuba was uncoordinated as hell but what WNBA player is going to stop him from dunking on them every single play

Brittney Griner is 6'8", can barely dunk, and is only 205 pounds. I assume she's regarded as one of the best in the WNBA. I don't think she'd be able to handle "Tuba," a male, standing at 7'3" 250 pounds. And she wouldn't be able to keep up with a smaller, quicker guy like Fleshman. Smaller girls players wouldn't be able to beat a guy because they're not strong enough. A bigger girls player wouldn't be able to handle a smaller mens player because they're not athletic or quick enough, even a D1 walk-on that was only all-district in high school. One would think if a girl was good enough, you'd see elite girl high school players dominating high school boys games. But you don't because they can't. Brittany Griner practiced with her high school's boys team to get better, just like girls college and pro teams do.
This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 12:38 pm
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 12/2/20 at 12:38 pm to
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Obviously I don't know anything about this dude. Doesn't mean he can shoot worth a shite, did he go to college at all?

Wasnt recruited by anyone. Just a walkon
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If he at least went to college or was even on some D1 team radars, I'd think at the very least we can probably fairly assume he'd immediately be the most athletic, fastest, and could outjump any WNBA player right off the bat, right?
Thats my question.

Why he was a good little high school athlete for 1a, I don’t think he would have been the most athletic woman ever. But shite maybe

I bet he posts here so I would like to hear his take off the thinks he would have been GOAT
This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 12:41 pm
Posted by TeddyPadillac
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Posted on 12/2/20 at 12:41 pm to
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I would say right now, the best womans basketball player could be as good as the current mens 1,256 best player



not even close.
you could easily find 100,000+ men in the US that are better than whoever you deem is the best female.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 12/2/20 at 12:42 pm to
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Why he was a good little high school athlete for 1a, I don’t think he would have been the most athletic woman ever. But shite maybe

Think about it this way. This kid is still good enough to walk-on to the mens LSU team. The girls teams practice against players who aren't good enough to do that and get dominated.
Posted by Hester Carries
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Posted on 12/2/20 at 12:43 pm to
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also didn’t LSU have a walk on a year ago from Uhigh who was like 5’8” and 140 lbs?

I have a hard time also thinking he would have been the WNBA GOAT



He would dominate the WNBA
Posted by More beer please
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Posted on 12/2/20 at 12:44 pm to
My sophomore year in HS I went to Point Guard College basketball camp in Texas. So did the LSU women’s starting PG at the time. She got absolutely worked.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 12/2/20 at 12:44 pm to
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you could easily find 100,000+ men in the US that are better than whoever you deem is the best female.


There are approximately 70,000 professional mens basketball players worldwide alone. Now add good college players who aren't playing professionally, recently retired professional players, current college players, current good high school players, etc....yeah, that number is in the hundreds of thousands of male basketball players that would be better than the very best female player in the world at any given moment or ever.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 12/2/20 at 12:45 pm to
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So did the LSU women’s starting PG at the time. She got absolutely worked.


not surprising at all.
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 12/2/20 at 12:45 pm to
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Think about it this way. This kid is still good enough to walk-on to the mens LSU team. The girls teams practice against players who aren't good enough to do that and get dominated.

This isn’t true

I have watched those games. It’s mainly all ex all district level high school guys, with some better than LSU men’s walk ons in the past

And why the guys do often win, it’s somewhat competitive, and that’s agaisnt a girls college team, not what is simply considered the best woman player

The 1,200 number is def off when I think about it for sure, but I think the level of play someone like Augustus would be somewhere around a good lower level classification high school player. Which is still really freaking bad considering
This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 12:50 pm
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 12/2/20 at 12:51 pm to
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And why the guys do often win, it’s somewhat competitive, and that’s agaisnt a girls college team, not what is simply considered the best woman player

right, we're talking about a pretty good college womens team. I'm assuming this was when you were in college and the LSU womens team was a final four team most years, so one of the best in college. If ex all-district level boys who aren't good enough to play D1 basketball are beating them, then it would be reasonable to say actual D1 talent would crush them. There are hundreds of thousands of players worldwide that are D1 talent or better. I don't think you disagree that the best WNBA player would be good enough to play in any mens professional league. Well, there are ~70,000 professional mens players worldwide currently. Then add all the D1 players, elite high school players, and even recently retired professional players that can still play, just not at the level of a pro mens player anymore. That number is very large.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 12/2/20 at 12:52 pm to
Yeh I agree the number is way larger than 1,200. Like way larger

But I was just still on my specific example of an LSU player that was 1a all district level talent (walk on)

I think that’s about where the WNBA Goats would be. All district high school level for smaller classifications

Like I think Augustus could have been all district if she played LA 1a ball, maybe 2a

But shite maybe not
This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 12:54 pm
Posted by TeddyPadillac
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Posted on 12/2/20 at 12:53 pm to
I wasn't all district or anything in high school, granted i got much much better in college. I've played against the LSU womens final four teams. I was easily better than all of them, and it wasn't even close. They are all too slow. They foul constantly b/c they are too slow and too weak. The only reason they could score was b/c they were playing against guys that weren't any taller than 6'2". Fowles can still receive the ball in the post and do a hook that you can't block, and Augustus is one of the rare women that actually has a high release on her jump shot, and it's quick enough that she can get her shot off, but she's too slow to get anywhere close to the rim. If anyone with equal height would guard them, they'd have a hard time scoring at all.

And you have to remember, no guy wants to beat the shite out of girls. You start feeling bad for them and just let them do certain things at time. If we really wanted to, we could have beaten them 100-20, but at times, we played like we didn't care and would only stay ahead by 20 or so, but you are always in control.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 12/2/20 at 12:57 pm to
I watched games when a guy I knew(initials were DB from baton rouge ) would play against the girls a lot This was circa around 2008

It was competitive. Guys won mainly, and were absolutely more physical, but it was not blowouts and the games were competitive
Posted by OldmanBeasley
Charlotte
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 12/2/20 at 12:57 pm to
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I would say the best ever soccer player in women could have been the 1,500th best soccer player in a particular year

They wouldn’t even be the 1,500th best player in the UK alone mate between the four professional leagues in England, the pro league in Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
65364 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 12:58 pm to
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I think that’s about where the WNBA Goats would be. All district high school level for smaller classifications



That's probably fair. As you know, I went to a private school in Memphis. We have college level players in our league from time to time, and very rarely NBA players like David Harrison (it was unfair him playing against guys in our league ). Our all-state caliber players were largely going DII, with some exceptions. One of our best players ever played at Dartmouth, still DI, but he was awesome in high school for what we were used to seeing. But, by and large, the good players in our league were 5'10" to 6' white guys who the best WNBA players could play with. Dane Bradshaw, for example, was one of the better players in the city my senior year of high school. He was a solid college player, no doubt, but if he was one of the best in the city, then yeah your all-district guys are probably on the level of WNBA players.
This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 12:59 pm
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
96187 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 12:59 pm to
I did the numbers far too quickly for all sports
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