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re: Using the NCAA FCS/D2/D3 Model for FBS playoff
Posted on 11/10/17 at 1:37 pm to sms151t
Posted on 11/10/17 at 1:37 pm to sms151t
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Sure they do they won their conference. It is good enough for every other major sport but NCAAF and its racket
Because in other sports, there's a lot more parity between champions of power conferences vs champions of smaller conferences. In football, the talent gap between champions from the Sun Belt or MAC compared to Power 5 champions will result in lopsided blowouts that national audiences aren't going to be interested in. For FBS level playoffs to be successful, it can't create lopsided playoff matchups or water down the regular season to a point where 9-3 or 8-4 teams that finished 3rd in their own division are in the playoffs.
Ideal playoff size should be 8 teams. Power 5 conferences each get an automatic bid. Have 2 at-large bids. Then the highest ranked champion of G-5 conferences. G-5 conferences can get more than 1 team in if committee wants to give an at-large bid.
That would prevent an undefeated team like UCF from not getting a shot, but also keep from having a playoff game with an 8-4 MAC or Sun Belt champ as a 40 pt underdog.
Based on current conference standings, this year would look like:
1. Georgia (SEC) vs 8. UCF (highest G-5 champ)
2. Alabama (at-large) vs 7. Washington (Pac-12)
3. Notre Dame (at-large) vs 6. Wisconsin (Big Ten)
4. Oklahoma (Big 12) vs 5. Miami (ACC)
This post was edited on 11/10/17 at 1:40 pm
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Posted on 11/10/17 at 1:38 pm to QJenk
Ohio State has no business being near a playoff after the Iowa game.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 1:41 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
8 is the biggest this current playoff model ever needs to go to. Anything else is overkill.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 2:12 pm to jrtplaya21
I definitely think it needs to expand to 8 but no more. I don't see how you can have 5 "power conferences" and not have each champion get in.
I also think that the preseason/early season rankings also flaw the system. The first rankings should come out week 10 that way you can accurately assess how good each team's SOS is.
I also think that the preseason/early season rankings also flaw the system. The first rankings should come out week 10 that way you can accurately assess how good each team's SOS is.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 2:20 pm to sms151t
If baseball and NCAA BB has 16 team playoffs you beat believe a lot of Ci fervency champs ain’t getting in.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 2:24 pm to SammyTiger
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If baseball and NCAA BB has 16 team playoffs you beat believe a lot of Ci fervency champs ain’t getting in.
You do know by NCAA bylaws there has to be a minimum number of percentage of teams in a national tournament and conferences determine their representative.
There are 125 FCS teams and they had to expand from 16 to 24 to make it in accordance to their bylaws.
In the FBS there are 128 so using 24 keeps it within the bylaws.
In Division II there are 165 and the playoff is 28 teams
Because there are 1-AAA teams there are over 300 teams in D 1 basketball so that is why they expanded to 68 with teams that moved up from D2 to D1 in the past 2 decades.
This post was edited on 11/10/17 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 11/10/17 at 2:34 pm to sms151t
Using Ohio St as the example
To win a national Championship in the format in OP
They would have won a rematch vs Iowa, then beat Clemson, then play the winner of a OU/Michigan St game, then play most likely UGA just to make the finals. Then they beat either Alabama, Notre Dame, or TCU.
If they did that they would be most deserving of a National Championship.
To win a national Championship in the format in OP
They would have won a rematch vs Iowa, then beat Clemson, then play the winner of a OU/Michigan St game, then play most likely UGA just to make the finals. Then they beat either Alabama, Notre Dame, or TCU.
If they did that they would be most deserving of a National Championship.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 2:35 pm to sms151t
didn’t know that but it doesn’t make your playoff any less fricking lame.
The point was it’s acceptable and that rule can excist because the viewing public doesn’t mind an Albany or. Liberty getting in when they are 1 of 68 teams.
No one wants Arkansas state or FAU getting in because they won a third tier conference.
The point was it’s acceptable and that rule can excist because the viewing public doesn’t mind an Albany or. Liberty getting in when they are 1 of 68 teams.
No one wants Arkansas state or FAU getting in because they won a third tier conference.
This post was edited on 11/10/17 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 11/10/17 at 2:39 pm to SammyTiger
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No one wants Arkansas state or FAU getting in because they won a third tier conference.
Exactly. This isn't basketball. No one wants to watch Arkansas State get blown out by 35 points in the first round of a 16-team playoff.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 2:44 pm to TomRollTideRitter
quote:$$$$ It's a business, ya know?
Ohio State is 1-2 against good teams this year. Why should that warrant a playoff spot?
Posted on 11/10/17 at 3:06 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
I think it's ok for teams to have the opportunity to redeem themselves. Obviously they played like crap that night. But no way Is Iowa 30 points better than the Buckeyes
Posted on 11/10/17 at 3:42 pm to sms151t
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Too many games for college players
I think it'd be really fun, but this is the only item I am really concerned about, and it looms larger than all the others combined.
College football moving towards more games when the long-term health of the sport could very well be in peril would be idiotic.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 3:56 pm to QJenk
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I think it's ok for teams to have the opportunity to redeem themselves.
They already had that opportunity after they lost to Oklahoma, and last week, they fell on their faces.
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Obviously they played like crap that night. But no way Is Iowa 30 points better than the Buckeyes
I agree, but that's why I like college football.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 3:59 pm to sms151t
There isn't inequity between the top and bottom teams / conferences the way there is in lower levels.
The only way this work is to split P5 and G5 then have 8 team or so playoffs in both. This is stupid. You would also need to realign conferences. Lower classes don't have 12-14 teams conferences with Championship games making Playoffs
The only way this work is to split P5 and G5 then have 8 team or so playoffs in both. This is stupid. You would also need to realign conferences. Lower classes don't have 12-14 teams conferences with Championship games making Playoffs
Posted on 11/10/17 at 4:14 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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24 teams is too many
I agree with this, but still say it should be 12 teams. Each conference champ gets in, plus 2 at large. The top 4 conference champs get a bye. The regular season would still have meaning since you would want to have the bye. I would even say you could have the at large teams b seeded 11 and 12. That way they get no home games. Could you imagine a LSU or tOSU playing at Boise in the playoffs?
Posted on 11/10/17 at 4:30 pm to Tiger Live2
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Each conference champ gets in, plus 2 at large.
No way. Until Boise State plays a P5 schedule, they should not get an automatic spot.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 4:43 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Agreed. It would make absolutely 0 sense for Troy to get in over Bama, if UGA won the SEC championship.
Posted on 11/10/17 at 4:44 pm to sms151t
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I love the not important game fallacy argument also. You guys are so predictable.
People who only watch FBS and have no appreciation for the FCS because it's "inferior football" tend to believe this crap.
The "it's too much for college students" is ridiculous as well. The two teams that play in the FCS Championship game play at least 15 games, and potentially 16 if it's a team that had to play in the 1st round. That's as many as a team that makes the CFP Final.
The one good argument is the discrepancy in competition at the FBS level versus the FCS. The P5 are discernibly different than the G5.
This post was edited on 11/10/17 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 11/10/17 at 4:49 pm to QJenk
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It would make absolutely 0 sense for Troy to get in over Bama, if UGA won the SEC championship.
It works in every other sport
Posted on 11/10/17 at 5:16 pm to Cowboyfan89
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People who only watch FBS and have no appreciation for the FCS because it's "inferior football" tend to believe this crap.
People who think they're the only ones who watch FCS football tend to believe the opposite.
Interesting...
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