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Posted by cas4t
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Posted on 12/23/18 at 11:33 pm to
This board will be raided by ST if that extremely unlikely upset happens
Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 12/23/18 at 11:38 pm to
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Posted by Chuker
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Posted on 12/23/18 at 11:39 pm to
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More yards doesn't mean better stats



well touchdowns are a pretty terrible litmus for determining a Qb's worth too then.

Run the ball 9 times down the field and the qb gets credit for the td if he makes a 2 yard pass to the endzone.
Posted by cas4t
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Posted on 12/23/18 at 11:41 pm to
My body is ready
Posted by TH03
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Posted on 12/23/18 at 11:42 pm to
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Brees has a decent D, no comparison on how much pressure is on Mahomes. I could be wrong but I don’t think the Chiefs D has made one game winning stop this season ..., that ain’t on Mahomes

You’re literally arguing against brees with your evidence being 90% of his career.
Posted by Scruffy
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Posted on 12/23/18 at 11:45 pm to
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You’re literally arguing against brees with your evidence being 90% of his career.
Yep.

Everyone is reversing their stances.

Every other year - “Brees shouldn’t win it because his D was so bad that he had to throw all the time, inflating his numbers.”

2018 - “Mahomes should win it because his D is so bad that he has to throw the ball all the time, resulting in awesome numbers.”
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 12/23/18 at 11:46 pm to
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f it were all about stats, Brees would have won in 2009, 2011 especially, 2012, 2013..



In 2013 Peyton Manning had 300 more yards, 16 more TDs 2 fewer ints and only 9 more attempts so do tell how “if it’s just about stats” Brees would have won that one.

2011 Rodgers had an all time season, Brees had 800 more yards 1 more TD and 8 more ints but 150 more attempts.

2012 the Saints were 7-9, that’s not comparable to KC who will at worst be 11-5.

2009 Brees should have won
Posted by WhereOrWere
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Posted on 12/23/18 at 11:46 pm to
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Brees has a decent D, no comparison on how much pressure is on Mahomes. I could be wrong but I don’t think the Chiefs D has made one game winning stop this season ..., that ain’t on Mahomes


You’re stuck trying to make the argument Saints fans have been trying to make for Brees for 90% of his career with the Saints.

If Brees had halfway decent defenses in New Orleans, he’d had 3 MVPs and 2 more Super Bowl rings.

Not fun huh?
Posted by TH03
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Posted on 12/23/18 at 11:47 pm to
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Every other year - “Brees shouldn’t win it because his D was so bad that he had to throw all the time, inflating his numbers.”

2018 - “Mahomes should win it because his D is so bad that he has to throw the ball all the time, resulting in awesome numbers.”


Exactly.
Posted by MusclesofBrussels
Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 12/23/18 at 11:48 pm to
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In 2013 Peyton Manning had 300 more yards, 16 more TDs 2 fewer ints and only 9 more attempts so do tell how “if it’s just about stats” Brees would have won that one.


He also broke the TD record. He was far and way the deserving MVP that season.

quote:

2011 Rodgers had an all time season, Brees had 800 more yards 1 more TD and 8 more ints but 150 more attempts.



Rodgers set the QB rating record that season. He was better than Brees and deserved the award.
Posted by Bass Tiger
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Posted on 12/23/18 at 11:48 pm to
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Everyone is reversing their stances. Every other year - “Brees shouldn’t win it because his D was so bad that he had to throw all the time, inflating his numbers.” 2018 - “Mahomes should win it because his D is so bad that he has to throw the ball all the time, resulting in awesome numbers.”


I thought we were talking this year, right?
Posted by DelU249
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Posted by Scruffy
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Posted on 12/23/18 at 11:50 pm to
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I thought we were talking this year, right?
You are using the exact same argument to prop up Mahomes that has been used to say that Brees doesn’t deserve it.

Don’t be a hypocrite.

Mahomes doesn’t deserve it because his defense is so bad that he has to throw all the time, inflating his numbers.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 12/23/18 at 11:57 pm to
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Rodgers set the QB rating record t


I thought so but wasn’t sure
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 12/23/18 at 11:57 pm to
No shite idiot.

You’re trying to say mahomes is mvp based on the same reasoning we used for brees in past years.

If you don’t see the hypocrisy, you’re insane.
Posted by theducks
Where The Blazers Play
Member since Aug 2013
13740 posts
Posted on 12/23/18 at 11:57 pm to
Mahomes just posted a 103 QB rating with 3tds and no ints.

We’re so used to him throwing for 350 and 5 TDs that Saints fans are acting like this effort just lost him the MVP
Posted by TH03
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 12/23/18 at 11:58 pm to
“Brees doesn’t deserve it because his defense sucks and he has to throw more”

“Mahomes deserves it because his defense sucks and he has to throw it more”

Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 12/23/18 at 11:59 pm to
quote:

Every other year - “Brees shouldn’t win it because his D was so bad that he had to throw all the time, inflating his numbers.” 2018 - “Mahomes should win it because his D is so bad that he has to throw the ball all the time, resulting in awesome numbers.”


The years Brees had a bad D he was 7-9, not 12-4/11-5
Posted by TH03
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Posted on 12/24/18 at 12:03 am to
Your point? Those teams would’ve been 2-14 without brees. Chiefs went 10-6 with Alex smith last year.
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