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Posted by PrimeTime Money
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Posted on 7/14/17 at 8:46 am to
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I'm pretty sure he's going to be traded as well, but you make it out that knicks have no other option, they do. Whether they hold to their guns or not is their decision. If I had to take on 30mil/yr of bad contracts for 3 years without a pick or a young player, why would I? I'd be better off buying him out.
That's a false premise. They aren't being offered $30 million in bad contracts with no young players and/or picks.

They are just hoping he expands his list so that they can get a better deal.
Posted by htran90
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Posted on 7/14/17 at 8:56 am to
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That's a false premise. They aren't being offered $30 million in bad contracts with no young players and/or picks.


Four teams have been dropped in this trade right? Look at what each one has to offer. What would you take if you were NY??

1. Houston
- No 2018 pick, Ryan Anderson, Eric Gordon, Trevor Ariza, and Clint Capela
They don't want Anderson, Capela is about to be paid so find them a suitor for a pick, maybe. Gordon and Ariza are probably not available.

2. New Orleans
- Salary Dumps: Ajinca, Asik, QPon
- Youth potential: Diallo
- 1st round pick
Trading with them is salary dumps+1st round that'll be either in the middle or late teens. They also have Diallo who is a complete unknown, playing well in the summer league so he is completely boom/bust. Would that be worth it? Probably.

3. Portland
- Salary Dump: Leonard
- Potential: Harkless
- 1st round pick
Trading with them makes sense, but reports said nobody wants Leonard. The pick from them is also equivalent to the one from NO. Harkless is a nice catch. Harkless+1st would be worth it, yes.

4. Phoenix
- Salary Dump: Knight and Chandler
- Potential: Bledsoe
- Not giving up the 1st round pick
Phoenix wants to hold onto their pick as well. They want something of value for Bledsoe, which no team is willing to reach their request. They want to ship off Knight, which nobody wants because he sucks. Not worth it.

Looking at those you'd want the Portland/NO picks. But you're going to take on what looks like 3 years of 20mil bad contracts in addition to it.
This post was edited on 7/14/17 at 8:58 am
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 7/14/17 at 9:01 am to
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Harkless+1st would be worth it, yes.
There you go. They are getting something of value back.

Paul George was had for Olidipo and Sabonis... and he didn't have a no trade clause.

Carmelo does not have much value.
Posted by htran90
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Posted on 7/14/17 at 9:06 am to
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There you go. They are getting something of value back.



Isolated, yes its worth it. He's young, 'expensive' potential, and you get a pick. The issue becomes Portland wants to shed Leonard too.

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Paul George was had for Olidipo and Sabonis... and he didn't have a no trade clause.



All the reports said Pritchard turned down a ton of better offers, so who knows the truth.

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Carmelo does not have much value.



Neither did George, yet they got a young cheap player and a pretty good SG in exchange without having to take on ridiculous size contracts.

Trading with PDX/HOU/NO/PHX for NY is all about taking on bad contracts at this point.
This post was edited on 7/14/17 at 9:11 am
Posted by PrimeTime Money
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 7/14/17 at 9:22 am to
NY is not taking Myers Leonard and it's been said that the only thing that was holding up the trade was Portland trying to find a team to take Leonard. If that's true, they'll get that done.
Posted by Epic Cajun
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Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 7/14/17 at 10:36 am to
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Francisco: Sources say Russell Westbrook is likely to sign his contract extension in the next few days. Possibly tomorrow.

What? I thought he was going to leave after next season and go to the Lakers? Oh wait, Lakers fans have moved on to Paul George, DeMarcus Cousins, and LeBron James going there in free agency...

It's absurd how Lakers fans think they can get whatever free agent they want, when they haven't landed a star free agent in 20 years
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 7/14/17 at 10:37 am to
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It's absurd how Lakers fans think they can get whatever free agent they want, when they haven't landed a star free agent in 20 years

how many people were actually talking about russ? very few if any. paul george is LITERALLY saying he is coming to the team next year so i have no idea why its ridiculous to talk about him as a possibility
This post was edited on 7/14/17 at 10:39 am
Posted by David Ricky
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Posted on 7/14/17 at 10:40 am to
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What? I thought he was going to leave after next season and go to the Lakers? Oh wait, Lakers fans have moved on to Paul George, DeMarcus Cousins, and LeBron James going there in free agency...



99% of the Lakers 2018 chatter has been about PG and Lebron. George has been the #1 most realistic guy for a long time now.

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It's absurd how Lakers fans think they can get whatever free agent they want, when they haven't landed a star free agent in 20 years


I could count on one hand the number of times the Lakers have had significant cap space in the last 20 years. Missing on tier 2/3 stars like Carmelo, Aldridge etc. was a blessing in disguise imo
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 7/14/17 at 10:42 am to
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how many people were actually talking about russ? very few if any. paul george is LITERALLY saying he is coming to the team next year so i have no idea why its ridiculous to talk about him as a possibility

Last offseason when Durant left many people were talking about Russ going to the Lakers. George is the only one that sorta makes sense, but he's not going there if they suck. The LeBron stuff is laughable. Same with the Cousins speculation, he was fine staying in Sacramento, now all of a sudden he wants to be in the limelight?
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 7/14/17 at 10:44 am to
My concern if I were a Lakers fan would be that George is also a tier 2 star and he might be coming by himself. Where does that really get you? You need Lonzo/Ingram to make the jump quick to time with the back end of George's prime

This is my realistic take not trolling like the user above
This post was edited on 7/14/17 at 10:44 am
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
150068 posts
Posted on 7/14/17 at 10:45 am to
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Last offseason when Durant left many people were talking about Russ going to the Lakers.
oh no, people were kind sorta making wild speculation. cause that literally never happens with any other fanbase ever. even last year, people werent actually talking about getting russ to come

the talk was always "if he hit free agency then maybe"
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The LeBron stuff is laughable
i dont disagree but thing sure as shite seem to be going that way
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Same with the Cousins speculation
who in the frick is speculating about cousins right now?
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
150068 posts
Posted on 7/14/17 at 10:46 am to
ITS WHY DANGELO RUSSELL SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN TRADED IN A frickING SALARY DUMP
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
37002 posts
Posted on 7/14/17 at 10:46 am to
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My concern if I were a Lakers fan would be that George is also a tier 2 star and he might be coming by himself. Where does that really get you? You need Lonzo/Ingram to make the jump quick to time with the back end of George's prime

If you are George, would you rather play with Ball and Ingram or Westbrook? If he likes LA he can always move to LA when he retires.

I don't think he's going unless other stars go, and I don't think that's likely.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
37002 posts
Posted on 7/14/17 at 10:47 am to
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who in the frick is speculating about cousins right now?

Just bullshite that I've seen thrown around on Twitter.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
37002 posts
Posted on 7/14/17 at 10:48 am to
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oh no, people were kind sorta making wild speculation. cause that literally never happens with any other fanbase ever. even last year, people werent actually talking about getting russ to come

There had been talk for a while about possibly Westbrook and Love going back to LA.
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
63366 posts
Posted on 7/14/17 at 10:48 am to
Which might be a blessing in disguise for LA. More lotto picks for the next couple years instead of 7 seeds.
Posted by htran90
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Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 7/14/17 at 10:48 am to
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If you are George, would you rather play with Ball and Ingram or Westbrook? If he likes LA he can always move to LA when he retires.

I don't think he's going unless other stars go, and I don't think that's likely.


realistically how many actual months is he -IN- OKC during the season? 4?

he can always be in LA whenever he wants.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
150068 posts
Posted on 7/14/17 at 10:50 am to
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There had been talk for a while about possibly Westbrook and Love going back to LA.

there had been brief points in time about it maybe happening years out
Posted by David Ricky
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Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 7/14/17 at 10:50 am to
I've thought about that too and agree with everything you said. IMO PG is a #2 guy on a championship squad. We definitely need Lonzo and Ingram to pan out and do it quickly.

If we get PG next summer but miss on Lebron, Boogie, Russ etc., I think punting cap space for the next year and remaining flexible would be the best move. Klay Thompson would be my #1 target the following year with GSW's impending cap hell along with his LA ties.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
150068 posts
Posted on 7/14/17 at 10:51 am to
if the lakers get paul george and ball and ingram turn into the players we hope, im not worried about whether or not we will be able to get another piece
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