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Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:18 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:18 pm to lsupride87
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Posted by lsupride87 Yes he did. Dez had possession of the ball with his right elbow on the ground.
Again, dez did not have control of his body, therefore needed to maintain possession. He did not dive and did not extend.
Moore caught it, turned his body and extended the ball away from his body and across the plane. The defender knocked it lose after the play was over.
The only thing these two have in common is that both initial calls were overturned.
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Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:19 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Nope, same rules apply in the endzone.
Lance Moore was ruled to have possession in the end zone before it was kicked away, are you disputing this?
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:19 pm to lsupride87
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Ok so if Dez crosses the goal line he doesn't have to control the ball through the ground?
Dez didn't make a football move towards the goal line or even stretch it.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:19 pm to BilJ
quote:holy strawman!
To quote Cowboy fans last week, it was only one play, it didn't lose you the game
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:19 pm to Colonel Flagg
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At what point? He had possession, rolled on around on the ground, crossed the goal line. It isn't the sametype of play.
Just to illustrate the point, Calvin Johnson against Chicago had far more control for a longer period of time. He didn't make a football move though, whereas Moore did.
If Moore hadn't stretched that ball it would have been incomplete.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:20 pm to Roger Klarvin
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This is incorrect, a player in the process of making a catch still must possess it through to the ground even after it has crossed the goal line. The Calvin Johnson play is one such play.
If I recall correctly, they said Moore had lost the ball when he hit the ground, then regained control while on the ground giving him possession and a conversion
The rule needs to go BC this shouldn't even be up for debate. They are both catches to anyone who watches. There is zero excuse for this to be an issue year after year
This post was edited on 1/11/15 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:20 pm to fleaux
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Lance Moore was ruled to have possession in the end zone before it was kicked away, are you disputing this?
No, that is the correct call. It was correct because he made a football move while falling.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:21 pm to Roger Klarvin
If Moore hadn't stretched out he would have become down short of the goal line, but it would have been a completed catch because it wouldn't have ever been kicked away
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:22 pm to Roger Klarvin
Moores stretch made it a catch. I personally beleive Dez stretched the ball as well. But I understand some dont. I am fine with people saying he didn't catch it. But it is highly debatable whether or not Dez stretched
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:23 pm to TigerBait1127
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The rule needs to go BC this shouldn't even be up for debate. They are both catches to anyone who watches. There is zero excuse for this to be an issue year after year
Correct, but the stupid rule in question actually applies to neither play per the rule book. It is scary that apparently even many refs don't seem to know this, but it is RIGHT THERE in the rule book that a football move completes the catch.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:23 pm to Roger Klarvin
Moore actually was ruled to be lying on the ground with the ball across the goal line before it was kicked away, therefore the catch was already complete
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:24 pm to Colonel Flagg
quote:I'm not saying the 2 are comparable. But Dez caught it, took 3 steps, moved the ball to one hand,and arguably stretched the ball as he went down. The idea that he simply fell to the ground is just not correct.
At what point? He had possession, rolled on around on the ground, crossed the goal line. It isn't the sametype of play.
Dez literally fell on the ground and dropped the ball.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:24 pm to fleaux
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If Moore hadn't stretched out he would have become down short of the goal line, but it would have been a completed catch because it wouldn't have ever been kicked away
The ball touches the ground as he is trying to secure it (not to mention moving pretty much the whole time). It would have been incomplete per the stupid rule had he not made a football move, which is why the ref in his explanation referred to the football move as the reason for the ruling.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:25 pm to DelU249
Absolutely
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:25 pm to lsupride87
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Moores stretch made it a catch. I personally beleive Dez stretched the ball as well. But I understand some don't
I cant, but regardless its clearly not conclusive enough to overturn the call.
Thank you for at least understanding the rules though.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:25 pm to fleaux
quote:And my argument is Dez caught the ball and then stretched for the goaline, thus completing a catch
Moore actually was ruled to be lying on the ground with the ball across the goal line before it was kicked away, therefore the catch was already complete
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:25 pm to BillyBobfan24_7
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So if ball crossed the goal line when Dez reached out it would be a catch if everything else still happened?
Had Dez reached the ball over the goal line and then hit the ground fumbling it loose, it would have been a TD. The rules are different when you are reaching over the goal line and when you're already in the end zone (Calvin). Dez did neither, he didn't cross the plane and he obviously wasn't in the end zone.
The call, according to the rules, is correct. I think the rule needs amending. But after last week, I love that the Cowgirls had this controversy go against them.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:26 pm to Sentrius
quote:That's debatable, you can't say that definitively and be correct IMO.
Dez didn't make a football move towards the goal line or even stretch it.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:27 pm to shel311
Is there a video or gif showing ball actually touching the ground? Not moving and probably caused by ground but actually touching the ground.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:27 pm to agdoctor
It's a catch and if it's not according to NFL rules then the NFL rules are a joke. Well they are a joke anyway but this would just be another obvious example.
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