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re: Tony Dungy
Posted on 8/22/10 at 11:00 pm to DBG
Posted on 8/22/10 at 11:00 pm to DBG
quote:I think that all people who hate gays would oppose gay marriage, but to simply say that people who oppose gay marriage hate gays is just like saying all people who oppose liberal fiscal policy are racists. It's the sad, ugly state of political discourse in this country.
i think theyre closely related
quote:I'm perfectly fine w/ this. But it is in poor taste. And the guy doing it in this case is just a hateful bastard.
it may be in poor taste to speculate about it, but it isnt some wild, rogue idea
This post was edited on 8/22/10 at 11:15 pm
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Posted on 8/22/10 at 11:04 pm to hendersonshands
quote:No reason getting into this, but I can pretty certainly say they dont. Plenty of people have different reasons why they are against gay marriage it doesnt mean they dislike them. I for one dont care who marries who.
They probably really do dislike gay people.
This post was edited on 8/22/10 at 11:09 pm
Posted on 8/22/10 at 11:04 pm to Jamohn
quote:
but to simply say that people who oppose gay marriage hate gays is just like saying all people who oppose liberal fiscal policy are racists.
come on now
clearly theres a stronger connection between opposing gay marriage/hating gays than opposing liberal spending/racists
you appear to be a rational, intelligent post, but thats a terrible comparison
This post was edited on 8/22/10 at 11:06 pm
Posted on 8/22/10 at 11:05 pm to DBG
quote:Of course it's not on the same level, I was taking it to an extreme to show the flaw in the logic but it's the same concept.
clearly theres a stronger connection between opposing gay marriage/hating gays than opposing liberal spending/racists
This post was edited on 8/22/10 at 11:11 pm
Posted on 8/22/10 at 11:08 pm to Jamohn
i understand
like i said earlier, while classless, not completely off the wall
like i said earlier, while classless, not completely off the wall
Posted on 8/22/10 at 11:18 pm to DBG
The thing is there isnt much to support it and he talks about it as if it is fact.
Posted on 8/22/10 at 11:24 pm to hendersonshands
HH 
I repented today
I repented today
Posted on 8/22/10 at 11:29 pm to D011ahbi11
I'm Catholic and am against gay marriage. That is my belief. I think they should be able to live together of course and maybe engage in something called "civil unions" but I don't think it should be marriage. That said, I respect gay people. I have friends that are gay, and they know I'm Catholic and we get along fine. Other people act like they respect gays and their rights, and go around throwing terms like "f-----" and "that's so gay". I'd say that's a lot more hateful towards gays than myself, but maybe some of you would disagree.
Posted on 8/22/10 at 11:35 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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Buckeye Fan 19
Alot of people have beliefs similar to those. I see nothing wrong with that. Many people believe allowing gay marriages will sort of diminish straight marriages. Not something I believe, but I understand it.
Posted on 8/22/10 at 11:38 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
quote:
I'm Catholic and am against gay marriage. That is my belief. I think they should be able to live together of course and maybe engage in something called "civil unions" but I don't think it should be marriage. That said, I respect gay people. I have friends that are gay, and they know I'm Catholic and we get along fine. Other people act like they respect gays and their rights, and go around throwing terms like "f-----" and "that's so gay". I'd say that's a lot more hateful towards gays than myself, but maybe some of you would disagree.
The old "I have _____ friends" so I'm not a bigot routine. We live in a country that explicitly has a separation of church and state, marriage is a government thing that the church should have no ruling on. You have no right to say gay people can't get married, I don't care what your religion taught you.
If someone went around saying they think women who committed adultery should be stoned to death because of their religion, would that be cool too?
Posted on 8/22/10 at 11:40 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
quote:That's perfectly respectable and it's your right to have those views. My only point in this thread is that you having those views does not give douchebags like AIH the right to completely shite on your personal life. If you had a gay son who committed suicide, he'd gleefully mock you as a victory for his hateful ways.
I'm Catholic and am against gay marriage. That is my belief. I think they should be able to live together of course and maybe engage in something called "civil unions" but I don't think it should be marriage. That said, I respect gay people. I have friends that are gay, and they know I'm Catholic and we get along fine. Other people act like they respect gays and their rights, and go around throwing terms like "f-----" and "that's so gay". I'd say that's a lot more hateful towards gays than myself, but maybe some of you would disagree.
Posted on 8/22/10 at 11:41 pm to Jamohn
quote:
That's perfectly respectable
It's not respectable at all. Who put him up on a cloud of judgment. Interracial couples shouldn't be allowed to get married because it's just unnatural. I have plenty of black friends who date white girls so I'm not a bigot, promise.
Posted on 8/22/10 at 11:44 pm to hendersonshands
quote:Just to be clear: You're saying that anyone who opposes gay marriage has no rational basis for doing so and is a homophobe? You're also saying that any person who expresses such homophobic views forfeits all right to human respect and decency and mocking even the most sacred corners of his personal life is fair game?
It's not respectable at all. Who put him up on a cloud of judgment. Interracial couples shouldn't be allowed to get married because it's just unnatural. I have plenty of black friends who date white girls so I'm not a bigot, promise.
Posted on 8/22/10 at 11:45 pm to Jamohn
I'm saying anyone who doesn't think gays should be allowed to get married shows an elitist attitude toward homosexuals.
Posted on 8/22/10 at 11:47 pm to hendersonshands
quote:So is your answer to my questions above "no"? I'm not clear.
I'm saying anyone who doesn't think gays should be allowed to get married shows an elitist attitude toward homosexuals.
And does "an elitist attitude" = hate in your opinion?
Posted on 8/22/10 at 11:51 pm to Jamohn
quote:
You're saying that anyone who opposes gay marriage has no rational basis for doing so and is a homophobe?
I've yet to hear of one reason to oppose gay marriage that makes any sense. The bible says a lot of stupid shite. I don't think they're homophobes, just because you don't like gay people doesn't mean you're afraid of them.
quote:
You're also saying that any person who expresses such homophobic views forfeits all right to human respect and decency and mocking even the most sacred corners of his personal life is fair game?
I've said multiple times in this thread that I don't think it's necessarily right, I'm saying it's plausible that it's the reason. Tony Dungy puts himself in the spotlight, he chooses to rant against gays so it's his fault when rumors like these come out.
Posted on 8/22/10 at 11:52 pm to Jamohn
quote:
And does "an elitist attitude" = hate in your opinion?
Racists show an elitist attitude toward other races they view as inferior, does that = hate in your opinion?
Posted on 8/22/10 at 11:56 pm to hendersonshands
quote:I think you're doing the debate a great disservice. It's a much more complicated issue than you are giving credit. This really isn't the proper forum for that so I won't get into it. I don't necessarily come out on a different side of the debate than you but I respect both sides of the argument.
I've yet to hear of one reason to oppose gay marriage that makes any sense.
quote:We agree here.
I've said multiple times in this thread that I don't think it's necessarily right, I'm saying it's plausible that it's the reason.
quote:It's his fault that people think it's OK to make jokes and take pleasure in his tragedy of his possibly gay son dying? Or are you blaming the gay rumors on him? If so, how are the gay rumors his fault?
so it's his fault when rumors like these come out.
Posted on 8/22/10 at 11:57 pm to hendersonshands
quote:Not exactly, but you make a fair point.
Racists show an elitist attitude toward other races they view as inferior, does that = hate in your opinion?
Posted on 8/22/10 at 11:57 pm to Jamohn
You must really love "Family Guy" to aim a hysterical rant like that at me.
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