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re: Tom Brady has made the Conference Championship game in 14 of his 19 seasons as a starter
Posted on 1/18/21 at 4:35 pm to Choupique19
Posted on 1/18/21 at 4:35 pm to Choupique19
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At least 10 of those his defense carried him there.
Facts. Also played in the worst division for 2 decades. Only had 3 conference teams to contend with in Baltimore,Indy and Pittsburgh for the majority of his career.
Yesterday the Goat was served another visit to a championship game by the Saints. Brady didn't do shite to deserve to play the Packers. That was all the Saints bowing down and saying "Here Old Goat, we don't want it!!!"
He might beat the Packers, he might not. I don't know but he's had the easiest road. That can't be denied.
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Posted on 1/18/21 at 4:41 pm to Jcorye1
quote:Ok
MUST ALWAYS BELIEVE FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS
Who do you personally think has the wort passing offense remaining?
Posted on 1/18/21 at 4:43 pm to saintsfan1977
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Facts. Also played in the worst division for 2 decades. Only had 3 conference teams to contend with in Baltimore,Indy and Pittsburgh for the majority of his career.
Yesterday the Goat was served another visit to a championship game by the Saints. Brady didn't do shite to deserve to play the Packers. That was all the Saints bowing down and saying "Here Old Goat, we don't want it!!!"
He might beat the Packers, he might not. I don't know but he's had the easiest road. That can't be denied
Saints fans are having a rough, rough day
Posted on 1/18/21 at 4:49 pm to RLDSC FAN
Super Bowl XXXVI just may end up being one of if not the most decorated Super Bowl of all time.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 4:53 pm to lsupride87
I think TB is the highest variance, and don't necessarily disagree they are the "worst", I just get annoyed with the FO fan boys that think DVOA and such is the only thing that matters.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 5:00 pm to SSpaniel
quote:. I read that was false he’d lose in house shows
Bill Goldberg - 173 straight victories.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 5:05 pm to MickeyLikesDags21
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Saints fans are having a rough, rough day
Im not though. I don't have a bad day or week if the Saints lose. I simply stated thr truth and you think I'm shitting on the GOAT. Nothing I said was wrong. In fact I dare you to refute any of it. You'll have to take Bradys dick out of your mouth first though.
This post was edited on 1/18/21 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 1/18/21 at 5:19 pm to Jcorye1
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MUST ALWAYS BELIEVE FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS
Do you think they are wrong in this case? Do you think TB's passing game is as good as any of the remaining teams? Seems like that shouldn't even be a controversial take, yet here we are
Posted on 1/18/21 at 6:01 pm to Choupique19
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At least 10 of those his defense carried him there. Most notably 2020-21.
I always enjoy these delusional Saints fans takes on Brady
Posted on 1/18/21 at 6:05 pm to saintsfan1977
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Only had 3 conference teams to contend with in Baltimore,Indy and Pittsburgh for the majority of his career.
All those teams went to multiple Super Bowls during his tenure. Two of them had sure fire HoF QBs. I resisted calling Brady GOAT as long as possible, and way past what was reasonable, but the guy has more than earned it.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 6:34 pm to Crimson K
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All those teams went to multiple Super Bowls during his tenure. Two of them had sure fire HoF QBs. I resisted calling Brady GOAT as long as possible, and way past what was reasonable, but the guy has more than earned it.
Debatable. Manning choked in the playoffs alot. I've watched Brady for years. I've seen him stand in the pocket for 10+ seconds because the refs refuse to call holding. That's not bullshite either.
But if everyone but me wants to consider him the GOAT, that's fine. I think the whole game is farce.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 6:36 pm to saintsfan1977
Who is the GOAT in your eyes and where would you rank Brady?
Posted on 1/18/21 at 6:57 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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I always enjoy these delusional Saints fans takes on Brady
The Saints are 5-3 vs Brady. The GOAT should be 8-0. I mean we are talking about a QB that just wins no matter what. You look at a number of team awards and that's your rule of measure on QBs. You are worse than Saints fans.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 7:10 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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Who is the GOAT in your eyes and where would you rank Brady?
I don't know where I'd put him. When I think GOAT, I think about a guy that does it all. Makes his team better. I never saw that with Brady. Rings aren't a measure of ability. Definitely a Barry Sanders Walter Payton type. Brady isn't in that league.
Marino in my eyes was probably the best QB ever. Rodgers is right there with him. The arm talent that just got it done. Not having the NFL cater to you like Brady. Manning, Montana, Brees, Elway, Brady are all on the list but if I'm going strictly as the best QB position it's Marino. And I didn't list names on order of ability.
You'll say, oh you'll take a guy that can't win a super bowl? No, I'll take a guy that will get the most done with the least of help. So when he does get help, he will prevail.
Go back and watch Brady in the pocket at times. 8 seconds, 10 seconds and not a single holding call. No other NFL QB gets that treatment consistently.
MJ an NBA GOAT but so is Larry Bird. That's how I see it. Rings are team awards. If a player is on the team for all 6 rings, does it make him the best Center of all time? Best tackle, TE,?
This post was edited on 1/18/21 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 1/18/21 at 7:33 pm to saintsfan1977
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Im not though. I don't have a bad day or week if the Saints lose. I simply stated thr truth and you think I'm shitting on the GOAT. Nothing I said was wrong. In fact I dare you to refute any of it. You'll have to take Bradys dick out of your mouth first though.
AFC East being the worst division and Brady being carried by Belichick's defense are both mostly myths. Three divisions (AFC South, NFC South, NFC East) were actually worse than the AFC East versus the Patriots. Four divisions (AFC North, NFC North, NFC West, AFC West) had a better record than the AFC East against the Patriots, but the Patriots still dominated those divisions, winning 73 percent of their games against the next three toughest divisions. Patriots won 75 percent against the AFC East. Patriots toughest division was the AFC West where they only won 65 percent of their games. This worse record against the AFC West is almost certainly explained due to long road trips and the time zone change.
Removing the Patriots and other division winners so as not to skew the data, AFC East actually had the second best overall record in the league against opposing divisions during the Brady/Belichick era. The Patriots are what made the AFC East look so bad because they punished the division's potential wild card teams. Against the rest of the league, AFC East was actually pretty decent.
As far as Patriots and Bill Belichick's defense carrying Brady , the Patriots have had some good defense for sure, but overall the offense was even better. New England probably has the worst skill positions in the NFL right now, so I'll exclude Brady's final season in the numbers. But if we take the rest of Brady's tenure, the offense on average ranked 5th in the league, while the defense ranked 7th. Both the offense and defense led the league three times. Mostly the Patriots have been good on both sides of the ball. However, the offense was actually the more consistent. Patriot's offense only finished outside the top 10 in points one time with Brady. The Patriots defense finished outside the top 10 in points allowed three times, but this doesn't really tell the whole story. There was a six-year window from 2010 to 2015 when Brady was arguably in his absolute peak, the offense was on average ranked ranked top three in the league putting up prolific numbers, but the defense was overall ranked just outside the top 10. If anything the Patriots defense squandered Brady's most prolific passing seasons.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 7:36 pm to saintsfan1977
Here is the link to AFC East-Patriots data for those interested.
This post was edited on 1/18/21 at 7:42 pm
Posted on 1/18/21 at 7:38 pm to the whyrly byrd
Saw this today:
Most Championship Game appearances:
Niners:16
Stillers:16
Pats:15
Cowgirls:14
Brady:14
Brady has as many title game appearances by himself as the entire Cowboys franchise. Gotdamn!
Most Championship Game appearances:
Niners:16
Stillers:16
Pats:15
Cowgirls:14
Brady:14
Brady has as many title game appearances by himself as the entire Cowboys franchise. Gotdamn!
Posted on 1/18/21 at 7:44 pm to the whyrly byrd
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Three divisions (AFC South, NFC South, NFC East) were actually worse than the AFC East versus the Patriots.
I stopped reading here. If you are going to start refuting with BS then the rest doesn't matter.
The NFC South has 3 SB teams and 2 MVP QBs in it.
Not bothering with reading the rest.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 7:53 pm to RLDSC FAN
Wow
He’s the fricking best
tGOAT
He’s the fricking best
tGOAT
Posted on 1/18/21 at 8:55 pm to saintsfan1977
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I stopped reading here. If you are going to start refuting with BS then the rest doesn't matter.
The NFC South has 3 SB teams and 2 MVP QBs in it.
Not bothering with reading the rest.
And the Patriots played one of those NFCS Super Bowl teams and won. The NFC South has been a good division, but Atlanta was only an 11-5 team the year they lost in the Super Bowl to the Patriots. For comparisons sake, Dolphins won 10 games that year in the AFC East. Carolina won the division one year with a sub-.500 record, right? NFC South had back-to-back teams in the Super Bowl, and both lost. Saints made it once to NFC title game and lost. In two of those years, the Patriots won the Super Bowl. Brady's first season in the NFC South, he damn near wins the division and bounced the division winner in the Saints out of the playoffs, so he basically did the NFC South dirty the same way he dumped on the AFC East for all those years.
Face it. Brady is just that great. As a pocket passer he has no weaknesses. He might have not all the physical attributes of some other great QB's we've seen, but he is at worst an A- at everything from the pocket, and on top of that he's probably the greatest pre-snap QB in the history of the game. Only other guy that even compares from the neck up is Peyton Manning. In addition to all the physical and mental aspects in which he is absolutely elite, Brady has that killer instinct you can't teach. I've watched his whole career, and the one thing that has always stood out to me about his competitive drive is that Brady wants to kill his opponent on every play. Every single play he's trying to drive in the dagger. He's like a Jordan or a Kobe in terms of will to win. Adding up all those factors, he's just the best to ever do it.
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