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re: "This could never happen in college football"
Posted on 4/4/10 at 3:29 pm to xiv
Posted on 4/4/10 at 3:29 pm to xiv
I hope that, eventually, they just stop keeping score during the games and just have a panel of judges rate both teams in every game and, at the end of their season, the totals should be tallied and averaged and the team with the highest rating should be crowned national champions.
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Posted on 4/4/10 at 3:46 pm to Gmorgan4982
Are people actually arguing that the college football post season is better than the NCAA tournament in this thread? I mean who really cares who actually wins games, give me polls to determine my championships any day. Its people opinions that matter in sports not performance on the field right?
Posted on 4/4/10 at 3:48 pm to UnclassyStudent
quote:People's opinions and math formulas are the true key.
Its people opinions that matter in sports not performance on the field right?
Posted on 4/4/10 at 3:54 pm to Gmorgan4982
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People's opinions and math formulas are the true key
Ahhh yes I forgot about those. Hopefully one day we can simplify sports to a system of polls and computer algorithms to decide the winners of all the games. Then people won't even have to deal with watching unworthy teams play at all.
Posted on 4/4/10 at 4:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
If you went to a top 8 format..the big schools would NEVER go to a school like Butler...hell an LSU would never even think going back to a Northern Iowa like a couple years ago....all the big schools would do is schedule give me home wins until conference time..you would never see big out of conference match ups...not even the ACC vs Big East challenge.
So not only are you taking away fun games between big conferences in the OOC games...you are going to make mid majors do nothing but go on the road....win majority of games on road against big conference teams..and then go through their conference..undefeated...and win their conference tourny...I don't know any BCS conference school that could do that.
So not only are you taking away fun games between big conferences in the OOC games...you are going to make mid majors do nothing but go on the road....win majority of games on road against big conference teams..and then go through their conference..undefeated...and win their conference tourny...I don't know any BCS conference school that could do that.
Posted on 4/4/10 at 4:47 pm to fightingtiger2335
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If you went to a top 8 format..the big schools would NEVER go to a school like Butler...hell an LSU would never even think going back to a Northern Iowa like a couple years ago....all the big schools would do is schedule give me home wins until conference time..you would never see big out of conference match ups...
So? The big reg season matchups (both in and out of conf) mean nothing now, anyway (and they'll mean even less when we get to 96 teams).
Just for example, early in the season, OSU and UNC were playing, two big programs who were in the top 15 and undefeated. That thread had less than 10 responses during the game.
Another example using OSU. We were playing Purdue in Feb. They were #4, we were #9. Great game, that ended up a 3-point Boiler win. Want to know how many responses that game got? ZERO. Not even a thread.
But if we'd go to 8 teams, the reg season would be HURT?
Posted on 4/4/10 at 4:54 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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But if we'd go to 8 teams, the reg season would be HURT?
Ok...a majority Louisiana sports board where most people claim that college baseball is the #2 sport is what we are basing our claims off of...ok.
Just for example....a shitty LSU team this year had pretty good game threads...if LSU would have been more in the mix...it prob would have made the board more college bball oriented.
but anyway...no matter responses we get on td.com...the OOC games are a great measurement alot of time on what you need to work on and where your team stands.And you can lose that game and it not kill your season..but you can get better....and thats what you awnt to do..get better.
but leave the big conferences out of it...becauseyou totally ignored the other part..what about the Butlers, the Creightons, etc..good mid majors..NO ONE...NO ONE would go to them knowing 1 loss to them would end their season...and if say a BUtler did win one game @ Duke but then lost 1 game @ Syracuse...(they have to play a murderers row season..something the big schools wouldn't have to..just to be in consideration)...that 1 loss would kill them because "Big school beat them!"..and god forbid they lost 1 conference game...getting everyone best shot....Basically a mid major would have to go undefeated and would held to a standard no big school could even accomplish.
Posted on 4/4/10 at 4:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:And the congregation says:
thank god
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
meeeeeeeen
Posted on 4/4/10 at 4:57 pm to fightingtiger2335
Fine, avoid 8. How bout 16 teams, best of 3 series?
Posted on 4/4/10 at 4:59 pm to UnclassyStudent
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Its people opinions that matter in sports not performance on the field right?
Where are regular seasons played?
Posted on 4/4/10 at 5:23 pm to Javzz
On the field.
What are preseason polls based on?
What are preseason polls based on?
Posted on 4/4/10 at 5:35 pm to UnclassyStudent
quote:Did the BCS get it wrong?
What are preseason polls based on?
Who were the best 2 teams?
fwiw, I haven't seen a really good argument against the BCSCG opponents outside of a couple.
How often do playoffs matchup the 2 best teams in the league?
This post was edited on 4/4/10 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 4/4/10 at 6:04 pm to Roaad
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Did the BCS get it wrong?
Who were the best 2 teams?
Those are good questions. Too bad we have no way of knowing. Bama probably was the best team last year but how am I supposed know know if cincy or tcu or boisie wouldn't have beaten them. I sure though Kentucky or Kansas were the best cbb teams but that was just my incorrect opinion. Subjective opinions should have as little to do with the outcome of sporting events and seasons as possible. I think it's contrary to the entire reason why you play the game
Posted on 4/4/10 at 6:55 pm to UnclassyStudent
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Those are good questions. Too bad we have no way of knowing
Did you not watch any football last year? Or ever? Why do you assume the winner of a couple of specially named games is the best? It makes no sense.
I go back to the 2007 NFL season. The Cowboys were 13-3, the Giants were 10-6. They are in the same division so they play basically the same schedule. They play each other twice and 12 of the remain 14 games against common opponents. Dallas won both head to head match ups by double digits. In the 12 games against common opponents, Dallas was 9-3 (note one of these was the last game of the year after Dallas had wrapped up home field), the Giants were 8-4. Both were 2-0 agains the non-common opponents. There is no logical way you could argue that over the course of 16 games that year that the Giants were better. There is also no logical way you can argue that a 1 game is a better measure than 16. Any team in the NFL can win 1 game (see New Orleans - Tampa Bay game last year as exhibit A).
Posted on 4/4/10 at 7:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
I love when people say things like, "this tournament is why college football needs to go to a playoff". Does it make for a very interesting event? Yes. Does it definitively choose the best team in the country? Not even close. If College basketball really wanted to choose the best team, they would take the top 16 and play them down through best 2 of 3 series.
Posted on 4/4/10 at 7:40 pm to Tiger in NY
My problem with the NCAA basketball tourney is that it really discounts the regular season after the seeding is done. They throw 64 teams into a single elimination tourney and all 64 have an equal chance to win. They don't give home court advantage to anyone, and in some cases actually have regional games closer to lower seeded teams city (i.e., Duke and Baylor this year, Duke and Butler tomorrow). There are no byes given. In fact, if you go back to conference tourneys, every team that participates in a conference tourney with an automatic bid to the dance has an equal chance of winning a national championship. Except for the conferences who don't have a tourney (Ivy League, for example), the regular season really loses a good bit of its purpose.
I think SFP's premise is correct...too many teams are given an equal chance to play for a championship in college bb. I like the idea of a series of games to determine a champ (college baseball does a real good job, IMO), but I think more than 8 teams would be deserving unless the regular season is significantly expanded (they could never expand it enough with 300 + teams involved, though).
Here's another thought...why do they rush the championship game? These teams get a week to prepare for the semifinals, but only a day to prepare for the biggest game of the year. That's a really big fault of the tourney, IMO. It's all about the almighty $, so none of this will ever change.
I think SFP's premise is correct...too many teams are given an equal chance to play for a championship in college bb. I like the idea of a series of games to determine a champ (college baseball does a real good job, IMO), but I think more than 8 teams would be deserving unless the regular season is significantly expanded (they could never expand it enough with 300 + teams involved, though).
Here's another thought...why do they rush the championship game? These teams get a week to prepare for the semifinals, but only a day to prepare for the biggest game of the year. That's a really big fault of the tourney, IMO. It's all about the almighty $, so none of this will ever change.
Posted on 4/4/10 at 7:48 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Why do you assume the winner of a couple of specially named games is the best?
You mean kinda like the BCS bowls?
Saying that the better team usually wins makes no sense but basing 66% of the decision of who goes to the championship on people's opinions does?
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I go back to the 2007 NFL season. The Cowboys were 13-3, the Giants were 10-6. They are in the same division so they play basically the same schedule. They play each other twice and 12 of the remain 14 games against common opponents. Dallas won both head to head match ups by double digits. In the 12 games against common opponents, Dallas was 9-3 (note one of these was the last game of the year after Dallas had wrapped up home field), the Giants were 8-4. Both were 2-0 agains the non-common opponents. There is no logical way you could argue that over the course of 16 games that year that the Giants were better. There is also no logical way you can argue that a 1 game is a better measure than 16. Any team in the NFL can win 1 game (see New Orleans - Tampa Bay game last year as exhibit A).
And what exactly does this have to do with the farce that is the BCS? Notice how you're able to show objective data as to who was the better team. Now apply try doing that with the BCS. Texas and Bama get voted into the championship game, Texas loses its starting QB, they play one specific game and Bama is obviously the best team in the nation?
What about 03? All homerism aside, can you objectively say that USC wasn't at least as good as LSU or OU? What about Auburn in 05?
This post was edited on 4/4/10 at 7:59 pm
Posted on 4/4/10 at 7:57 pm to xiv
I absolutely agree with you but don't waste your time agruing with Slow because he will agrue with dumb posts all day while making no sense. If butler wins they deserve it and no theory from Slow will disprove that
Posted on 4/4/10 at 8:50 pm to CP3LSU25
I wonder how the sportswriters and bcs computers would have treated a team that went 13-0 and then lost its last 3 regular games of the season. my guess is that they wouldnt have been playing in the bcs championship.
Posted on 4/4/10 at 9:23 pm to diat150
If the big schools are so much better then why do they need the home court to win??? This is college... and why the BB tournament is so popular - win and you advance - loose you go to the house!
FB is still the only sport without a playoff... If I want to watch the best teams and players then I wait until Sunday for the real pros
FB is still the only sport without a playoff... If I want to watch the best teams and players then I wait until Sunday for the real pros
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