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re: The worst game decision in the history of the NFL
Posted on 11/15/09 at 11:55 pm to Templars
Posted on 11/15/09 at 11:55 pm to Templars
actually it was not as bad as the broadcasters are making it sound. Manning shines in that situation even if he has 70 yards to go. He did it the series before and he was doing it again and Bill knew his chance to pick up 2 yards was better than his defense stopping Manning.
In that situation with that being their last possession, you have to defend for the intermediate pass as well as the long pass and it's hard to do. Most likely your in it with a tired defense not adequatly able to defend both.
Decent call that's gonna be second guessed but I understand the call after watching manning so many years do it against tired defenses
In that situation with that being their last possession, you have to defend for the intermediate pass as well as the long pass and it's hard to do. Most likely your in it with a tired defense not adequatly able to defend both.
Decent call that's gonna be second guessed but I understand the call after watching manning so many years do it against tired defenses
Posted on 11/16/09 at 12:29 am to BlacknGold
Who remembers about 15-20 years ago when the Lions were playing the Saints and called a fake punt out of their own end zone??????
Punter throws incomplete pass, Saints take over in the red zone...

Punter throws incomplete pass, Saints take over in the red zone...
Posted on 11/16/09 at 12:33 am to Kafka
anyone that tries to justify that call is a retard and obviously does not understand football
Posted on 11/16/09 at 2:53 am to Flowbie
And Templars, who started this thread, earlier today was crapping on other threads about how badly the Saints executed and called plays. 
Posted on 11/16/09 at 6:05 am to Templars
The execution was poor, not the decision to go for it. Belichick was aggressive and went for the win right there. A better throw and catch, and praise is heaped on him. I say that he should be praised for it regardless, since the outcome was just a bad break.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 6:50 am to Sophandros
If he was going to go on 4th down, why not run on 3rd and 3, then run again if needed. A much better percentage to get 3 yards in two plays by running. Screw-up all around.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 7:45 am to LSUTANGERINE
You make it... Genius.
You don't ...dumb arse.
He has 3 rings of power so he can do what he wants.
You don't ...dumb arse.
He has 3 rings of power so he can do what he wants.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 7:47 am to wildrebeltime
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Decent call that's gonna be second guessed but I understand the call after watching manning so many years do it against tired defenses
I've thought about it overnight. Not the dumbest decision ever, but it still was not a smart percentage call under the circumstances. Even with Manning coming onto the field after a punt. With a decent punt, odds are the Patriots hold on to win the game.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 8:12 am to VOR
A decent throw and catch, and there is a 100% chance they win...
Posted on 11/16/09 at 8:22 am to josh336
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but if faulk doesn't bobble that ball, everyone is calling it genious
uhhh no, its still stupid whether he converts the 1st down or not.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 8:54 am to Mouth
The poor decision was the pass on 3rd and two, not the decision to go for it on fourth down.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 9:26 am to goatmilker
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You make it... dumb arse who got bailed out by a good play by his team.
You don't ...dumb arse.
Fixed it for you. It's stupid either way.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 10:10 am to Sophandros
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A decent throw and catch, and there is a 100% chance they win...
Uh, well yeah, if they convert they win. So what? You could say that about a lot of plays. The smart play is to make the Colts go 70 yards without timeouts rather than 30.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 10:26 am to VOR
One thing that doesn't make it that stupid is the fact the NFL regular season games are meaningless in and of themselves. No way he goes for that in the playoffs.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 10:30 am to Templars
I think it was the right call. The mistake was not going for it, but burning two timeouts on the last possession.
I hate Bellichek and I'm glad it blew up in his face so everyone gets to call him a moron, but that doesn't change the fact he played the percentages. If he converts there, the Pats win. Period. It's over. Teams have about a 60-65% success rate on fourth and two. So that play gave him a 60-65% chance of winning.
If he punts, does anyone doubt that friggin Peyton Manning doesn't drive down the field (with one timout in his back pocket) and score the game winner. That's what Manning DOES. The Colts would have scored regardless off where they got the ball.
When in doubt, let your best unit win the game. The Patriots offense is better than their defense. Let them decide it.
I hate fraidy cat, conservative play calling designed not to win, but to minimize criticism. If Bellichek punts and the Cotls drive down and win the game, no one questions the call. I kind of admire that Bellicheck was unafraid of the criticsm. He played to win, not to minimize second guessing.
I hate Bellichek and I'm glad it blew up in his face so everyone gets to call him a moron, but that doesn't change the fact he played the percentages. If he converts there, the Pats win. Period. It's over. Teams have about a 60-65% success rate on fourth and two. So that play gave him a 60-65% chance of winning.
If he punts, does anyone doubt that friggin Peyton Manning doesn't drive down the field (with one timout in his back pocket) and score the game winner. That's what Manning DOES. The Colts would have scored regardless off where they got the ball.
When in doubt, let your best unit win the game. The Patriots offense is better than their defense. Let them decide it.
I hate fraidy cat, conservative play calling designed not to win, but to minimize criticism. If Bellichek punts and the Cotls drive down and win the game, no one questions the call. I kind of admire that Bellicheck was unafraid of the criticsm. He played to win, not to minimize second guessing.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 10:36 am to Baloo
Baloo and I are correct. It was 100% the correct call. Belichick played the percentages correctly, but it didn't work out in his favor.
Too many coaches try to minimize defeats instead of trying to maximize victory. IMO, they all need to read up on game theory, but that's another issue.
Anyway, AT BEST, those of you who are criticizing Belichick for the call can say that it's about equal odds that they win or lose if he punts. And THAT is stretching it by quite a bit.
Here are a few articles on that:
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Too many coaches try to minimize defeats instead of trying to maximize victory. IMO, they all need to read up on game theory, but that's another issue.
Anyway, AT BEST, those of you who are criticizing Belichick for the call can say that it's about equal odds that they win or lose if he punts. And THAT is stretching it by quite a bit.
Here are a few articles on that:
LINK
LINK
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Posted on 11/16/09 at 10:58 am to etm512
Wow, this is not even in the top 50 of worst decisions. Just do the math and that much is obvious. If you need me to crunch the numbers answer these questions:
What do you expect is the percentage of times New England converts 4th down there?
What percentage of the times do you think Peyton drives 70 yards for the win after a punt there?
What percentage of the time do you think Peyton drives 30 yards for the win after a failed 4th down conversion there?
I guarantee you that if you give me realistic numbers, going for it on fourth down doesn't look NEARLY as bad as most of you are trying to make it out to be.
What do you expect is the percentage of times New England converts 4th down there?
What percentage of the times do you think Peyton drives 70 yards for the win after a punt there?
What percentage of the time do you think Peyton drives 30 yards for the win after a failed 4th down conversion there?
I guarantee you that if you give me realistic numbers, going for it on fourth down doesn't look NEARLY as bad as most of you are trying to make it out to be.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 11:03 am to Vale
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One thing that doesn't make it that stupid is the fact the NFL regular season games are meaningless in and of themselves. No way he goes for that in the playoffs.
I wouldn't call this a meaningless game, the game had playoff homefield advantage implications, which the Colts are now in control of with the first tie breaker.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 11:06 am to Hot Carl
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One thing that doesn't make it that stupid is the fact the NFL regular season games are meaningless in and of themselves. No way he goes for that in the playoffs.
wow. if you're serious...just wow.
anyway..you can argue the angles and spin this thing anyway you want to...the way i see it, When was the last time Belichick made a decision that cost his team a game? maybe he looks like an idiot for this but i'm sure he expected his players to execute.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 11:10 am to TigerStripes06
I agree the call was not that bad. I mean he thought he had a better chance to get 2 yards with his offense than stopping Manning with 2 minutes left. His defense was worn out. I agree with the poster that said his bad decisions were burning the timeouts.
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