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Posted on 9/13/09 at 9:43 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
who has KU played? Colley ranks UTEP as their best win, who was the other one?
Posted on 9/13/09 at 9:48 pm to baytiger
northern colorado. utep is the best win 
Posted on 9/13/09 at 9:59 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
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northern colorado
greeley, co represent!
Posted on 9/13/09 at 10:03 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
his math is fuzzy, imo
how can 1 loss teams vandy and washington (lsu opponents) be in the top 11?
shite, doesnt make sense from any possible rational equation.
i believe spidey figured out how to include homerism into statistics and this poll is the poster child for such bias.
how can 1 loss teams vandy and washington (lsu opponents) be in the top 11?
shite, doesnt make sense from any possible rational equation.
i believe spidey figured out how to include homerism into statistics and this poll is the poster child for such bias.
This post was edited on 9/13/09 at 10:05 pm
Posted on 9/14/09 at 12:47 am to SpidermanTUba
What is irrational about the equation set?
Posted on 9/14/09 at 3:02 am to rocket31
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how can 1 loss teams vandy and washington (lsu opponents) be in the top 11?
Exactly.
I can understand USC being ranked in the 50s because OSU's win won't count for much til later in the season when they win 9-10 games. All that makes sense to me.
But how are 1 loss Washington and Vandy ahead of teams like USC or any other 2-0 team for that matter??
Posted on 9/14/09 at 6:53 am to shel311
Mavs 2006 Sagarin Rating champs!
Posted on 9/14/09 at 7:16 am to rocket31
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i believe spidey figured out how to include homerism into statistics and this poll is the poster child for such bias.
he must have changed the formula b/c it used to not be this way
Posted on 9/14/09 at 9:41 am to SpidermanTUba
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But how are 1 loss Washington and Vandy ahead of teams like USC or any other 2-0 team for that matter??
Their only loss is to #1 LSU.
Posted on 9/14/09 at 10:02 am to rocket31
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his math is fuzzy, imo
FWIW, LSU is ranked #2 in the Colley Matrix Poll. That poll is unbiased and only includes wins and losses.
All we know is that LSU beat both the teams it has played. And both of those teams are undefeated against teams not-named LSU
Posted on 9/14/09 at 10:04 am to rockchlkjayhku11
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well then the colley matrix is obviously a POS
Without using MOV, expectations, history, or subjective measures...explain to me why LSU SHOULDN'T be #1 or #2
Posted on 9/14/09 at 12:12 pm to SpidermanTUba
MOV is used in the week 2 poll. the MOV rankings are 5/6 of the total score, and the win-loss only rankings are 1/6.
By week 6 the MOV part of the rankings will be gone.
MOV is calculated as the total share of points from a game - not the actual point difference. For example, if you win 7-3, its counted the same as if you won 21-9. A shut-out win is counted the same as any other shut-out win - 2-0 is the same as 100-0.
I do this because I think straight up absolute MOV difference emphasize offense too much. A 7-3 win really is, IMO, reflects a closeness of playing ability as much as a 14-6 win.
By week 6 the MOV part of the rankings will be gone.
MOV is calculated as the total share of points from a game - not the actual point difference. For example, if you win 7-3, its counted the same as if you won 21-9. A shut-out win is counted the same as any other shut-out win - 2-0 is the same as 100-0.
I do this because I think straight up absolute MOV difference emphasize offense too much. A 7-3 win really is, IMO, reflects a closeness of playing ability as much as a 14-6 win.
Posted on 9/14/09 at 12:15 pm to SpidermanTUba
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MOV is used in the week 2 poll. the MOV rankings are 5/6 of the total score, and the win-loss only rankings are 1/6.
which makes your math wrong, because vandy and washington should not in the top 11.
unless, you included lsu homerism101 into the equation, and if so, my apologies.
This post was edited on 9/14/09 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 9/14/09 at 12:30 pm to lsumatt
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Without using MOV, expectations, history, or subjective measures...explain to me why LSU SHOULDN'T be #1 or #2
I think this illustrates the huge flaw in using nothing but formulas to rank college football teams.
There is no way anyone that knows anything about football could think LSU was the second best team in the country. I know by the end of the year, the computer polls are relatively close to the human polls, which imo validates the human polls more than anything.
Posted on 9/14/09 at 12:47 pm to SpidermanTUba
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which makes your math wrong
Then by all means, point out my error. You can find the algorithm in the "Week 0" post and if you email me I can send you a copy of the C code.
Posted on 9/14/09 at 12:50 pm to SpidermanTUba
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I think this illustrates the huge flaw in using nothing but formulas to rank college football teams.
I think its more a question of the point of polling. Do we want a list that reflects a teams past accomplishments, or a list that reflects a teams chances of doing well in the future?
The latter is a prediction based ranking, the former a reward based ranking. The human polls are obviously prediction based, as they are release before a team plays even one game.Florida is #1 in the human polls not because they have accomplished more than any other team to date -but because the pollsters believe that by the end of the season, Florida will have accomplished more than any other team.
Posted on 9/14/09 at 12:52 pm to SpidermanTUba
unfortunately i have a 7000 level stats course that consumes my time or i would take you up on that offer.
i do not care too much, but something is off with those two rankings, i already looked at the algorithm and this is obvious.
im sure it will pan out in the future after you take out the lsu homerism101 formula.
i do not care too much, but something is off with those two rankings, i already looked at the algorithm and this is obvious.
im sure it will pan out in the future after you take out the lsu homerism101 formula.
Posted on 9/14/09 at 12:59 pm to SpidermanTUba
Is this a poll that tigerdroppings endorses, or is this just something that tuba the arse clown came up with and attached tigerdroppings to it on his own?
Posted on 9/14/09 at 1:09 pm to lsumatt
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Without using MOV, expectations, history, or subjective measures...explain to me why LSU SHOULDN'T be #1 or #2
you obviously weren't reading what i was saying at all not referencing that in any way and was also not being serious.
however, on what you said, why is lsu #1?
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