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re: The Soo Choo Train Is A Texas Ranger
Posted on 12/21/13 at 2:35 pm to tduecen
Posted on 12/21/13 at 2:35 pm to tduecen
It's kinda funny really. Speed actually plays better at the bottom of the lineup in general because it's more likely that you have singles hitters behind you. A Choo walk followed by an Andrus bunt then a Beltre or Prince bomb is a waste of an out by Andrus.
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Posted on 12/21/13 at 2:36 pm to The White Lobster
That's just old school thinking that should be modified
Posted on 12/21/13 at 2:36 pm to GeauxAggie972
So Lineup looks something like:
Choo-CF
Andrus-SS
Fielder-1B
Beltre-3B
Cruz-DH (Assuming that they resign him)
Rios-RF
Soto/Arencibia-C
Profar-2B
Martin-LF
or
Choo-CF
Andrus-SS
Fielder-DH
Beltre-3B
Rios-RF
Moreland-1B
Soto/Arencibia-C
Profar-2B
Martin-LF
Moreland can play 1B/DH, Cruz and Rios can keep each other rested, Murphy can give somebody a day off, and Jeff Baker becomes our infield corner utility man?
Pitching Rotation:
Yu Darvish
Derek Holland
Matt Harrison
Alexi Ogando?
Martin Perez?
Neal Cotts
Tanner Scheppers
Jason Frasor
Michael Kirkman
Robbie Ross
Joseph Ortiz
Neftali Feliz
Joakim Soria
Choo-CF
Andrus-SS
Fielder-1B
Beltre-3B
Cruz-DH (Assuming that they resign him)
Rios-RF
Soto/Arencibia-C
Profar-2B
Martin-LF
or
Choo-CF
Andrus-SS
Fielder-DH
Beltre-3B
Rios-RF
Moreland-1B
Soto/Arencibia-C
Profar-2B
Martin-LF
Moreland can play 1B/DH, Cruz and Rios can keep each other rested, Murphy can give somebody a day off, and Jeff Baker becomes our infield corner utility man?
Pitching Rotation:
Yu Darvish
Derek Holland
Matt Harrison
Alexi Ogando?
Martin Perez?
Neal Cotts
Tanner Scheppers
Jason Frasor
Michael Kirkman
Robbie Ross
Joseph Ortiz
Neftali Feliz
Joakim Soria
Posted on 12/21/13 at 2:37 pm to DrVinnyBoombatz
Only Cabrera, Votto, and Trout had higher on base percentages than Choo last year. Andrus hit a rather shitty .271/.328/.331. Andrus should hit nowhere near the top of the lineup, but Wash is gonna Wash
Posted on 12/21/13 at 2:42 pm to tduecen
More teams started having their ideal hitter hit second last year. Cano, Trout, Mauer all hit second for a good portion of the season. Even Leyland hit Miggy second in the playoffs. I was surprised that even the super traditional Fredi Gonzalez optimized his lineup by going Heyward/Upton/Freeman
Managers are slowly catching up
Managers are slowly catching up
Posted on 12/21/13 at 3:38 pm to NWLATigerFan12
quote:
Moreland can play 1B/DH, Cruz and Rios can keep each other rested, Murphy can give somebody a day off, and Jeff Baker becomes our infield corner utility man?
with this signing, Cruz is all but gone.
and Murphy is already gone. Baker will spell the folks in the OF.
Posted on 12/21/13 at 3:44 pm to tduecen
Good. The rangers can start to eat that terrible contract in 3 years or less
Posted on 12/21/13 at 3:45 pm to Lsuhoohoo
Oh, and didn't y'all just sign Scott Feldman for $30 million?
Posted on 12/21/13 at 3:45 pm to tduecen
I want my best OPS guy hitting third :(
Posted on 12/21/13 at 3:51 pm to tduecen
quote:
I agree baseball has been fascinated by tradition, guy is fast and swipe 40 bases put him in leadoff spot despite his .269 avg, .310 OBP, and only taking 4 pitchers per at bat....
My only problem with this is you are REALLY inhibiting a once a generation base stealer like hamilton by having the pitcher hit after him. You can pretty much guarantee pitch outs.
I don't think they will start him in the 1 hole just because it will be his first stint in the majors and that position comes with lots of pressure. I can see him in the 7 hole
Cozart
Phillips
Votto
Bruce
Ludwick
Frazier
Hamilton
Mesoraco
The problem is we have NO leadoff guy and frankly if we are gonna have a shitty OBP guy then id rather have hamilton doing it.
Posted on 12/21/13 at 3:55 pm to barry
Lineup placement at a BEST case scenario can make you up 2-3 games. Thats if you played it perfectly. In general as long as you play your best guys at the top of the lineup thats all that matters, you are talking in general maybe 1 win difference. In reality having guys at the top to score isn't nearly as important as getting your best players the most at bats.
ETA: Also their is a human factor. Some guys just hit better in certain spots because they just feel more comfortable, its all mental.
ETA: Also their is a human factor. Some guys just hit better in certain spots because they just feel more comfortable, its all mental.
This post was edited on 12/21/13 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 12/21/13 at 3:57 pm to barry
quote:
ETA: Also their is a human factor. Some guys just hit better in certain spots because they just feel more comfortable, its all mental.
This.
Pedroia should be your prototype leadoff hitter. He has a high average, pretty good speed, and doubles power. He just can't do it though. His stats batting clean up are hilariously awesome though.
Posted on 12/21/13 at 4:00 pm to tduecen
quote:
What's the problem with that comment?
I know all of you here know how deep of a system Houston has now.
Because of their recent history of trading players from the old ownership, why do you think they'd do the same with "their" players?
Houston WILL be in contention in the next few years
Posted on 12/21/13 at 4:33 pm to Prominentwon
Choo will be horribly overpaid. The thing is, the Rangers can afford to overpay him, and desperately need his skill set. Choo routinely has an OBP above 400. Last season, the Rangers had one regular with an OBP above 350 (Beltre at 377). They needed to get on base more. A lot more.
So, while this is a horrible deal longterm, it might make the Rangers WS favorites this year. And sometimes you have to push your chips in the center of the table and go for it. Their rotation is pretty great, and almost all of them have club friendly deals. The Rangers can afford a bad deal for a bat they desperately, desperately need.
I do think Elvis will have a bit of a bounce back, so I'm not opposed to him batting 2nd. But the Rangers solved their two glaring holes this offseason: left handed power and a leadoff hitter and put them at positions where they had holes (1B and LF/CF).
So, while this is a horrible deal longterm, it might make the Rangers WS favorites this year. And sometimes you have to push your chips in the center of the table and go for it. Their rotation is pretty great, and almost all of them have club friendly deals. The Rangers can afford a bad deal for a bat they desperately, desperately need.
I do think Elvis will have a bit of a bounce back, so I'm not opposed to him batting 2nd. But the Rangers solved their two glaring holes this offseason: left handed power and a leadoff hitter and put them at positions where they had holes (1B and LF/CF).
Posted on 12/21/13 at 4:50 pm to The White Lobster
You're in to those Joe Maddon type lineups. Thing is he does it out of necessity.
Posted on 12/21/13 at 4:54 pm to The White Lobster
While I certainly agree with your premise of hitting your best hitters in spots to maximize runs, I thought the difference between second and third was pretty marginal. The more plate appearances hitting second was nearly offset by the more runners on-base hitting third.
I could be misremembering the numbers, but if you have a link for this, then that would be sweet.
Also, why not hit Choo second?
I could be misremembering the numbers, but if you have a link for this, then that would be sweet.
Also, why not hit Choo second?
Posted on 12/21/13 at 4:59 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
quote:
Also, why not hit Choo second?
Wash loves the versatility that Andrus brings at the plate hitting second. Again, it could also be the comfortable thing that White Lobster mentioned.
Even when Kinsler had days off, he would use Martin at leadoff instead of Andrus
Posted on 12/21/13 at 5:07 pm to GeauxAggie972
I guess my question was more of a hypothetical based on you as the manager, not Washington.
Barry's point about comfort makes sense, and I know that Choo is comfortable in the two hole. Maybe Andrus has some objection to lead off (and I feel confident in saying he would not want to drop to the bottom).
I actually loved hitting second and hated leadoff when I played growing up. I like getting a chance to see the pitcher before I got to hit.
Barry's point about comfort makes sense, and I know that Choo is comfortable in the two hole. Maybe Andrus has some objection to lead off (and I feel confident in saying he would not want to drop to the bottom).
I actually loved hitting second and hated leadoff when I played growing up. I like getting a chance to see the pitcher before I got to hit.
Posted on 12/21/13 at 5:11 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
Choo would be great hitting second too, but I'd want to separate Choo and Fielder since Choo has such a drastic split against lefties.
This article does an okay job giving the best lineup for general situations. It's pretty susinct. LINK
It's different case by case, and my lineup I made probably isn't perfectly ideal, but I made it in a hurry on my phone.
The difference between an ideal lineup and a lineup isn't much, sure, but I'd want my manager to have as well researched and reasoned lineup as possible
This article does an okay job giving the best lineup for general situations. It's pretty susinct. LINK
It's different case by case, and my lineup I made probably isn't perfectly ideal, but I made it in a hurry on my phone.
The difference between an ideal lineup and a lineup isn't much, sure, but I'd want my manager to have as well researched and reasoned lineup as possible
Posted on 12/21/13 at 5:16 pm to Baloo
Elvis' had a great 2nd half last year. He should be in the two hole. Martin or Profar likely starts off hitting 9th. Odds are it'll be Martin.
I think Baker is gone either to New York or Washington. Choice will play his role this year.
I think Baker is gone either to New York or Washington. Choice will play his role this year.
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