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Posted on 4/10/22 at 7:52 pm to SoFla Tideroller
quote:The Giants bunted against the shift (I forget which player) and it ended up winning the game over the Marlins in the season opener.
Why ban the shift? Here's a wild thought; how about hitters learn to handle the bat?
Maybe that's why the Giants won over 100 games last year.
Posted on 4/10/22 at 8:00 pm to tjtiger9
quote:So does this mean the second baseman has to position himself at second base? I mean, who came up with the idea for him to shift halfway between second and first base? And where does the shortstop play? Who made up the rule that he has to play between second and third base?
The shift in MLB
If you sat down and made a list of all the things that could ruin what used to be the greatest sport of all time, you couldn't do a better job at ruining the game than they've been doing over the last several years.
smdh
Posted on 4/10/22 at 8:03 pm to tjtiger9
I am against banning the shift but if I remember correctly NBA teams couldn’t play zone defense at one point which is also dumb.
Posted on 4/10/22 at 8:29 pm to tjtiger9
I might stop watching if they implement a no shift rule, what a crock of shite.
Posted on 4/10/22 at 8:43 pm to Broski
quote:
The shift was a big reason why the Braves defense suddenly improved during the August turnaround.
People keep saying this. There was nothing wrong with the Braves defense. Injuries and inconsistency were the problem. That changed after the deadline.
The shift (which, it wasn't like the Braves never shifted before then) has been given far too much credit.
Posted on 4/10/22 at 8:45 pm to markinkaty
quote:
It seems artificial to dictate where the defense can position their players.
How so? Many sports have rules about where players may be positioned. Only a certain number of players are allowed to be in the backfield in football. NBA players are limited to a certain number of seconds in the lane.
Why is it controversial for MLB to make a rule about where players are allowed to stand, but it is accepted for other sports?
Posted on 4/10/22 at 8:49 pm to SoFla Tideroller
Why ban the shift? Here's a wild thought; how about hitters learn to handle the bat?
This.
You keep taking what they give you and dropping singles and getting RBIs and they'll stop.
This.
You keep taking what they give you and dropping singles and getting RBIs and they'll stop.
Posted on 4/10/22 at 8:49 pm to tigercross
Absolutely no excuse for a SS or 2B to be on the opposite side of the bag
Posted on 4/10/22 at 8:53 pm to tigercross
Are you going to draw 9 circles on the field and tell each player to stay there? Back in the day, we didn't shift so severely, but you backed up for a power hitter or favored certain hitters. It's like telling football or basketball that they can only play zone defenses.
Posted on 4/10/22 at 8:57 pm to tjtiger9
Banning the shift in baseball is the equivalent of banning cover 2 in the NFL because QBs can't complete deep passes against it.
Posted on 4/10/22 at 9:02 pm to Metaloctopus
quote:
People keep saying this. There was nothing wrong with the Braves defense. Injuries and inconsistency were the problem. That changed after the deadline.
There was an entire story on it.
Posted on 4/10/22 at 9:11 pm to Broski
quote:
There was an entire story on it.
I know there is. And it's nothing but a narrative, to try to give credit to something other than the players on the field. This is what writers do, these days. They try to explain why things happen that they don't understand, like a team that seemed dead, getting off the deck to win the World Series.
I'm not saying that there weren't some adjustments that helped. But by far the biggest difference was the acquisitions, how they played individually, and how that boosted the spirits of the rest of the team and galvanized them to play up to their potential.
Posted on 4/10/22 at 9:15 pm to Metaloctopus
The Braves were 29th in shift percentage in the first half last year and 2nd in the second half.
Charlie Morton and several of the other pitchers credited increased shifting to their improved run prevention.
Charlie Morton and several of the other pitchers credited increased shifting to their improved run prevention.
Posted on 4/10/22 at 9:24 pm to udtiger
“This”. No it’s not “this”. You clowns have no idea the mechanics involved of pushing 96mph on the inner half to the opposite field. Keep yelling at clouds.
In 2002, the highest average fastball
velo was 95.9 mph
In 2021, 95.9 was 122nd
In 2002, the highest average fastball
velo was 95.9 mph
In 2021, 95.9 was 122nd
Posted on 4/10/22 at 9:25 pm to Metaloctopus
quote:
And it's nothing but a narrative
Oh goodness.
quote:
But by far the biggest difference was the acquisitions, how they played individually, and how that boosted the spirits of the rest of the team and galvanized them to play up to their potential.
This is just narrative, right?
Posted on 4/10/22 at 9:29 pm to SoFla Tideroller
Best example is something I saw today in college.
LSU catcher Tyler McManus (right handed) faced the shift in his first two ABs (a walk and a wind-aided Left Field HR).
His next AB was a ground ball right where a normal 2nd baseman would be playing. So the other team moved the 2nd baseman back to the normal side but was still playing close to the bag in his fourth AB. The result, a grounder right past the diving 2nd baseman, which would have been an easy grounder if playing in the normal position. For his fifth AB, defense playing straight up. He hit a ball to LF and it was caught on the track.
As Willie Keeler said, “Keep your eye on the ball and hit ‘em where they ain’t.”
LSU catcher Tyler McManus (right handed) faced the shift in his first two ABs (a walk and a wind-aided Left Field HR).
His next AB was a ground ball right where a normal 2nd baseman would be playing. So the other team moved the 2nd baseman back to the normal side but was still playing close to the bag in his fourth AB. The result, a grounder right past the diving 2nd baseman, which would have been an easy grounder if playing in the normal position. For his fifth AB, defense playing straight up. He hit a ball to LF and it was caught on the track.
As Willie Keeler said, “Keep your eye on the ball and hit ‘em where they ain’t.”
Posted on 4/10/22 at 9:38 pm to jembeurt
quote:
His next AB was a ground ball right where a normal 2nd baseman would be playing. So the other team moved the 2nd baseman back to the normal side but was still playing close to the bag in his fourth AB. The result, a grounder right past the diving 2nd baseman, which would have been an easy grounder if playing in the normal position. For his fifth AB, defense playing straight up. He hit a ball to LF and it was caught on the track.
As Willie Keeler said, “Keep your eye on the ball and hit ‘em where they ain’t.”
People that think it is that simple to guess a pitch and then "hit it where they ain't" will never cease to amaze me.
This post was edited on 4/10/22 at 9:39 pm
Posted on 4/10/22 at 9:40 pm to blackandgolddude
quote:
Banning the shift in baseball is the equivalent of banning cover 2 in the NFL because QBs can't complete deep passes against it.
You mean like all the formations rules on offense?
Posted on 4/10/22 at 9:41 pm to volfan30
quote:
The Braves were 29th in shift percentage in the first half last year and 2nd in the second half.
Charlie Morton and several of the other pitchers credited increased shifting to their improved run prevention.
Of course they aren't going to say anything negative about it. But the rotation had already started to stabilize before the increased shifting. It was the bullpen that was so bad. And the biggest problem for the bullpen was walks. They cut way down on the walks when the run started. What the heck does a shift have to do with that?
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