re: The definitive list of the top 25 best QBs of ALL TIME, UPDATE: edited after feedback

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TD:INT ratio? QB Rating? MUCH lower INT%?

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Eh


Regular season


Brady

64%---5.6TD%---1.8 INT %---97.5 passer rating


Brees

67.2%---5.4 td%---2.4int %---97.3 passer rating



The only thing MUCH better would be drews completion pct at 3.2% better


Bradys TD % is only 0.2% better
Bradys INT % is only 0.4% better
Passer rating 0.2 better (Brees will pass him in the next few games it looks like)



In playoffs Drew leads all these stats


But I agree with your premise, Brady has more than just rings. He has the stats also to support his argument. People just never actually use them......

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1. Joe Montana
2. Tom Brady
3. Johnny Unitas
4. Roger Staubach
5. Drew Brees
6. Dan Marino
7. John Elway
8. Otto Graham
9. Peyton Manning
10. Bobby Layne
11. Y.A. Tittle
12. Len Dawson
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Steve Young
15. Fran Tarkenton
16. Warren Moon
17. Brett Favre
18. Jim Kelly
19. Aaron Rodgers
20. Ken Anderson
21. Bart Starr
22. Troy Aikman
23. Terry Bradshaw
24. Norm Van Brocklin
25. John Brodie

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The fact that Dan Fouts isn't on the list nulls the whole thing, but I'll add my $0.02.

Too low: Elway, Marino, Manning, Young, Rodgers

Too high: Brees (maybe at the bottom of the top 10), Aikman (shouldn't be on it), Bradshaw (ditto).

Seriously? No Dan Fouts?

I totally missed that one.

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Anyone who would put Joe Montana over Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, or Johnny Unitas is either a troll or has never actually looked at an NFL game.

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Quoting the NFL Network, who did just that, and who I’m pretty sure is neither a troll network and has people working there who have seen an NFL game or two:

“There mave been passers more imposing physically and more impressive statistically, but no big game quarterback was more awe inspiring”

Looking at the list as it is I would drop Troy Aikman off of it. Some might disagree but I would put Kurt Warner and Ben Roethlisberger over him.

It might have been easy to dismiss Kurt as just a product of the system Martz had in St. Louis, especially when Marc Bulger came in and had some success after him. But after he took the Cardinals on his back and nearly won a Super Bowl near the end of his career, that said a lot right there. Not many of his peers in the hall of fame took two teams to Super Bowls.

Ben Roethlisberger played like shite in his first Super Bowl, but he more than made up for it later. He came up with a clutch TD in his second one against the Cardinals.

Big Ben is currently #7 all time in passing yards with 52,725

#9 in TDs with 340

#11 in completion% at 64.1%

#10 tied with Matt Ryan for passer rating at 94.

You talked me into Warner

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You talked me into Warner

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Can't talk you into Bert Jones, probably the most talented QB to ever step foot on a football field?

This list is a damn disaster and you should feel ashamed.

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The only thing MUCH better would be drews completion pct at 3.2% better

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Huh? The difference between 1.8 and 2.4 is much larger than the difference between 64 and 67.2 on a % difference. Off the top of my head, it's something like the difference between about 5% and 33%, 33% better INT%.

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But I agree with your premise, Brady has more than just rings. He has the stats also to support his argument. People just never actually use them......

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This. I just don't agree with saying he only has rings and Brees/Brady's numbers are better. You can argue Brady over the 2 just based on numbers not even counting rings.

As I always say, Rodgers is clearly on a level above the 3 in terms of peak sustained greatness. Brady/Brees/Manning - all 3 of them are about equal, the difference in the numbers are razor thin in any direction IMO. I just don't think you can flatly say any of the 3 are clearly better or clearly inferior based on the numbers, it's just too close.

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You can give it your best shot

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K
-probably the most talented QB to ever step foot on a football field
-arguably the best QB of the mid-70s
-submitted arguably the greatest passing season in history the year he won MVP 1976: 3,104 passing yards, 60% completion rate, 24/9 TD/INT ratio, 9.3 Adjusted Yards/Attempt, 15 Y/C, 102.5 passer rating. BY COMPARISON, the 1976 league mean for passing yards was roughly 2,100, TD/INT ratio 15/17, AY/A 5.3, Y/C 12.7, completion rate 52%, and passer rating 67.

Passes the eye test, numbers support his talent, there is no argument there is no debate this dude SHATTERED the curve for quarterback performance in the Dead Ball Era. They didn't call him "The Ruston Rifle" for nothing. Then again, wouldn't expect anything less from an LSU great.