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re: The definitive list of the top 25 best QBs of ALL TIME, UPDATE: edited after feedback
Posted on 10/10/18 at 8:51 am to theunknownknight
Posted on 10/10/18 at 8:51 am to theunknownknight
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You would think there would be SOME major stat to hint at that greatness
Went to 3 Super Bowls with a so so supporting cast, then got a good RB and immediately won back to back titles even on the back end of his career. Mike Shannahan never even sniffed anything close to the same success for the rest of his career once Elway retired. Elway was the ultimate prototype QB, even moreso than Marino bc he could take literally whatever the defense gave him and make something out of it, including taking it and running.
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Posted on 10/10/18 at 8:51 am to lsupride87
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Here is Elways passer rating, completion pct, and yards/attemot rankings when he played. He didnt even lead his own era
muh stats
Posted on 10/10/18 at 8:52 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Went to 3 Super Bowls with a so so supporting cast,
oh. great qb stat.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 8:52 am to theunknownknight
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oh. great qb stat.
yeah, it's called using your eyes and looking at things in context.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 8:53 am to Draconian Sanctions
quote:Dude that is "muh stats" compared to his own era
muh stats
Montana, Brees, Brady, Johnny U, Rodgers, Manning, young, Marino led their eras in "muh stats", which is why they actually deserve to be at the top of the list
This post was edited on 10/10/18 at 8:54 am
Posted on 10/10/18 at 8:54 am to lsupride87
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led their eras in "muh stats"
that Aaron Rodgers isn't even my top 25 should tell you how much i care about this
i know y'all want to use objective measures to rank these guys but that flies in the face of the nature of the position.
This post was edited on 10/10/18 at 8:56 am
Posted on 10/10/18 at 8:55 am to Draconian Sanctions
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yeah, it's called using your eyes and looking at things in context.
Yea. I watched Elway. He wasn’t better than his peers with the eyeball test either.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 8:56 am to Draconian Sanctions
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i know y'all want to use objective measures to rank these guys but that flies in the face of the nature of the position.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 8:56 am to theunknownknight
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He wasn’t better than his peers with the eyeball test either.
clown comment bro
so you think Marino goes to 5 Super Bowls if he had been drafted by Denver?
This post was edited on 10/10/18 at 8:57 am
Posted on 10/10/18 at 8:56 am to Draconian Sanctions
Peyton manning at 10? Smh
Posted on 10/10/18 at 8:58 am to Draconian Sanctions
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If you want to talk about Montana though, his accomplishments are comparable to Brady's
Not even close.
Super Bowl wins
BRADY - 5
MONTANA - 4
W/L record
BRADY - 199-57-0
MONTANA - 117-47-0
Passing yards
BRADY - 67,418
MONTANA - 40,551
TD Passes
BRADY - 500 (5.6%)
MONTANA - 273 (5.1%)
Interceptions
BRADY - 166 (1.8%)
MONTANA - 139 (2.6%)
Game Winning Drives
BRADY - 42
MONTANA - 28
And Montana had the luxury of a 4X Pro Bowl RB (Roger Craig) and the greatest WR in NFL history.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 8:59 am to theunknownknight
quote:Um, yes he was. There is no disputing that. May not have the greatest stats but he was great.
Yea. I watched Elway. He wasn’t better than his peers with the eyeball test either.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 9:01 am to DemonKA3268
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Um, yes he was. There is no disputing that. May not have the greatest stats but he was great.
No.He wasn’t. Marino, Young, Montana, Favre, Manning etc were CLEARLY better than Elway.
This post was edited on 10/10/18 at 9:03 am
Posted on 10/10/18 at 9:03 am to theunknownknight
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No.He wasn’t. Marino, Young, Montana, Manning etc were CLEARLY better than Elway.
Like I said earlier, opinions are like arseholes. Clearly?? Maybe Montana and Marino were, it's all subjective.Posted on 10/10/18 at 9:05 am to DemonKA3268
I really don’t get the fascination with Elway. The dude was a dunce with the football compared to his greater peers...and the stats reflected it.
It was clear then. It is clear now.
Yet people have made him mythological
It was clear then. It is clear now.
Yet people have made him mythological
Posted on 10/10/18 at 9:07 am to theunknownknight
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I really don’t get the fascination with Elway
I told you why took 3 very so so teams to the Super Bowl, once he got a great RB the Broncos immediately won back to back titles and his supposed offensive guru HC never sniffed the same success for the rest of his career.
So if not Elway who gets the credit for the Broncos making 5 Super Bowls in that era? Dan Reeves?
Posted on 10/10/18 at 9:10 am to theunknownknight
quote:Did you actually watch him play? Marino was great, one SB appearance. Elway had 5, in 2 different decades. Take Brady off the Patriots, how many rings does he have? Montana from the 49ers? Sometimes it isn't all about stats, sometimes. I also think Jim Kelly is lower than he should be on this person's list. Who cares, it's all subjective.
I really don’t get the fascination with Elway. The dude was a dunce with the football compared to his greater peers...and the stats reflected it. It was clear then. It is clear now. Yet people have made him mythological
Posted on 10/10/18 at 9:12 am to OU812
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Roger Staubach won FOUR passing titles in the 70s...it was a different game and not all about stats from the QBs kids.
Terrell Davis won 3 AFC rushing titles and 2 super bowls in 3 years. Is he a top 4 all time back?
Posted on 10/10/18 at 9:13 am to DemonKA3268
quote:Its really not, and you can add steve young to that list
Maybe Montana and Marino were, it's all subjective.
Steve young
221.1 yards/game-----5.6 td%---2.6 int%----64.3 comp %----96.8 rating
John Elway
234.6 yards/game-----4.1td%----3.1int%-----56.9 comp %----79.9 rating
If your eyes told you Elway was better, your eyes are fricked up
This post was edited on 10/10/18 at 9:14 am
Posted on 10/10/18 at 9:13 am to DemonKA3268
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Did you actually watch him play?
Yes. Since you mentioned him, I’d put Elway on Jim Kelly’s level.
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