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re: The Cardinals are better than analysts are predicting
Posted on 4/4/17 at 2:13 pm to Speedy G
Posted on 4/4/17 at 2:13 pm to Speedy G
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The Cardinals need Rosenthal to be good, b/c their RH setup is shaky otherwise. The alternative is to move Cecil to closer and Oh to RH setup. The big problem is their manager has no flipping clue what he is doing.
You're exposing yourself.
To suggest moving Oh out of closer is laughable.
Seigrist isn't a lefty specialist. He's arguably more effective vs right handed hitters.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 2:18 pm to Lester Earl
quote:The proper response would be, "You are right, Zobrist is not a 4 win player as a RF. I didn't think it through entirely."
You only wrote that he wasn't a 4 win player in RF. You didn't make a case that Piscotty was better. Not sure what kind of response you were hoping to illicit.
He was 4 WAR last year, but mostly as a 2B. Moving to RF, he loses substantial positional value, and probably fielding runs. With last year's offensive numbers, he's probably a tick above 3 WAR as a RF.
quote:Piscotty put up an .800 OPS during his first full major league season, running out of gas down the stretch (.714 OPS in September). He was a better hitter than Zobrist for most of last year and is entering his prime vs. a player entering his twilight. And he is a superior defensive RF to Zobrist w/ a much stronger arm.
Piscotty is nothing more than an average RF defensively. And Zobrist hit better then him last year, whether you want to take his time in RF or anywhere else he stood for a half inning. So tell me, what makes Piscotty better?
Beyond that, Zobrist won't be anything close to a fulltime RF this year, and Piscotty is better than bucketfoot Heyward.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 2:42 pm to Speedy G
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With last year's offensive numbers, he's probably a tick above 3 WAR as a RF.
So still better than Piscotty
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He was a better hitter than Zobrist for most of last year
How does that work? Do we just erase the bad months?
In that case Zobrist was WAY better.
Piscotty is a 26 year old "prospect" for a reason. He's decent but let's not act like he is going to blossom into Roberto Clemente
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The proper response would be, "You are right, Zobrist is not a 4 win player as a RF. I didn't think it through entirely.
Naw I think my response is suitable. Zobrist is a better player bubba.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 2:46 pm to GynoSandberg
He didn't trust Rondon or Strop bc they looked bad after just getting off the DL. He didn't trust they were back to themselves. I don't think it had anything to do with permanent future usage.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 3:09 pm to Maximus
Kyle Schwarber, LF
Kris Bryant, 3B
Anthony Rizzo, 1B
Addison Russell, SS
Willson Contreras, C
Jason Heyward, RF
Javy Baez, 2B
Jake Arrieta, P
Albert Almora, CF
Kris Bryant, 3B
Anthony Rizzo, 1B
Addison Russell, SS
Willson Contreras, C
Jason Heyward, RF
Javy Baez, 2B
Jake Arrieta, P
Albert Almora, CF
Posted on 4/4/17 at 3:16 pm to Lester Earl
Every GM in baseball would take Piscotty over Zobrist in '17 as their full time RFer.
Piscotty isn't a prospect. He's a major leaguer who just signed a 6 year extension.
Piscotty isn't a prospect. He's a major leaguer who just signed a 6 year extension.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 3:28 pm to Lester Earl
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Piscotty is a 26 year old "prospect" for a reason
enter the league the same age as Willson Contreras?
But let me guess, since hes a cub thats the right time, but since hes a cardinal that makes him old?
Posted on 4/4/17 at 3:30 pm to Lester Earl
You're not interested in the truth - which makes you a normal sports fan.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 3:33 pm to Lester Earl
quote:MLB rookies tend to fade in September b/c they have never before played that many games in a season. I thought you knew this stuff.
How does that work? Do we just erase the bad months?
quote:Nobody has acted like that, but hyperbole is the sure sign of a winning argument. Piscotty is not a prospect and I have no idea why you put that in quotes. He was an old prospect b/c he went to college and graduated (with an engineering degree from Stanford). He spent one full year in the minors. At Piscotty's "old" age, Zobrist had played 52 major league games with a .572 OPS.
Piscotty is a 26 year old "prospect" for a reason. He's decent but let's not act like he is going to blossom into Roberto Clemente
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Zobrist is a better player bubba.
He may be, b/c he plays 2B, but that wasn't the question. Enjoy it while it lasts. If it lasts.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 3:40 pm to mylsuhat
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Albert Almora, CF
I am anxious to see this guy play. Could be Kevin Kiermaier lite.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 3:44 pm to Speedy G
You Cardinal fans are delusional as frick
Posted on 4/4/17 at 3:45 pm to Speedy G
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Enjoy it while it lasts. If it lasts.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 3:45 pm to FulshearTiger
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delusional
Nah, it gets annoying hearing all of these newbie cub fans.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 4:01 pm to The Stranger
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You're exposing yourself.
To suggest moving Oh out of closer is laughable.
Seigrist isn't a lefty specialist. He's arguably more effective vs right handed hitters.
Tell that to his manager. Mike Matheny is not going to be able to figure out how to use two power lefty relievers, and w/o a reliable RH setup man, you will see things like 5 out save attempts on opening day.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 4:19 pm to Speedy G
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Tell that to his manager. Mike Matheny is not going to be able to figure out how to use two power lefty relievers, and w/o a reliable RH setup man, you will see things like 5 out save attempts on opening day.
Hard to respond to something lacking so much proper thought.
Oh pitching in the 8th on opening day has two important things factoring into the decision: off days bookending the game, and heart of the cubs order came to the plate in the 8th. Makes perfect sense to bring in your closer in that spot.
Siegrist is a left handed RH set-up man. He's better against righties than lefties, so your point is pointless. Not to mention the arrow is trending up for Rosie who will play a role in late innings.
This post was edited on 4/4/17 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 4/4/17 at 5:00 pm to mizslu314
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enter the league the same age as Willson Contreras?
But let me guess, since hes a cub thats the right time, but since hes a cardinal that makes him old?
Contreras didn't become a full time catcher until 2013. He was a 3B.
And i wouldn't make excuses for him failing down the stretch cause he was a rookie. You gonna compare players but say he was a better hitter just if you take out his last month. what in the frick
Posted on 4/4/17 at 5:08 pm to The Stranger
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Oh pitching in the 8th on opening day has two important things factoring into the decision: off days bookending the game, and heart of the cubs order came to the plate in the 8th. Makes perfect sense to bring in your closer in that spot.
The heart of the order came up because he left Martinez in too long. Find me another manager who lets Martinez put the go ahead run on base, setting him up for a possible loss after the game he pitched. Find me another manager who gassed his starter and closer on opening day.
Oh was a fine move after Matheny had already bungled things. Cecil should have started the inning, but at the very least should have faced LaStella. What they hell did they give him $30M for?
Matheny could have salvaged some dignity by lifting Oh after the eighth, but nope, the closer has the get the save. Matheny is a dolt.
You sound like a cheerleading apologist.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 5:30 pm to Speedy G
Weird response.
I see you didn't touch the RH set-up man counterpoint - I'll assume you realized you were wrong.
Under 100 pitches and in full command, it's not ridiculous that C Mart was trusted to go after the 7-8-9 in 8th.
Having Oh as the one ready to come in is the smart move because he'd be facing the heart (1-2-3) of the cubs order.
There really is no debate to be had when it comes to bringing in Oh in that spot.
The only debate that could be had is whether or not C Mart should have started the 8th. I personally would have taken him out but it's undeniable given the above info that it wasn't an outrageous decision to leave him in.
I see you didn't touch the RH set-up man counterpoint - I'll assume you realized you were wrong.
Under 100 pitches and in full command, it's not ridiculous that C Mart was trusted to go after the 7-8-9 in 8th.
Having Oh as the one ready to come in is the smart move because he'd be facing the heart (1-2-3) of the cubs order.
There really is no debate to be had when it comes to bringing in Oh in that spot.
The only debate that could be had is whether or not C Mart should have started the 8th. I personally would have taken him out but it's undeniable given the above info that it wasn't an outrageous decision to leave him in.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 10:20 pm to mizslu314
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its proven that teams have figured out Arrieta, No one is scared to face him anymore.
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Arrieta had a flash in the pan. He and Lackey are great candidates for a big drop-off.
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