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The ACC Commissioner…
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:41 am
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:41 am
….along with commissioners from the Big10 and PAC12 conferences formed an alliance in April of 2021 that delayed the implementation of a 12 team College Football Playoff by one year. Were it not for their actions Florida State and seven other teams would be in the playoffs THIS YEAR.
Their Alliance, like the PAC12, no longer exists.
Their Alliance, like the PAC12, no longer exists.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:55 am to penman
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Playoff by one year. Were it not for their actions Florida State and seven other teams would be in the playoffs THIS YEAR.
According to Finebaum, Florida State upset the apple cart by trying to force an exit from the ACC and that’s why the fix was in
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:57 am to MrWalkingMan
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According to Finebaum, Florida State upset the apple cart by trying to force an exit from the ACC and that’s why the fix was in
That’s an even worse reason for not picking them.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 10:00 am to BasilBogomil
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Shouldn’t have mattered. FSU should be in on merit.
Not beating a top 10 team, not having a wins vs teams in contention for the playoff like the 4 teams who got in does not make them deserving of being one of the top four teams. your only argument is that they are undefeated and again while that is a tough pill to swallow they were and are not one of the 4 best teams.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 10:03 am to IM_4_LSU
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they were and are not one of the 4 best teams.
Probably not. But Unfortunately we’ll never get to find out.
Georgia is probably one of the four best teams, why aren’t they in as well if who we think are the “4 best teams” is the supposed criteria?
Also, there are at least 3 teams outside the Top4 that I personally think are “better teams” than Washington. I think Washington deserved to be in, I’m just saying it shouldn’t be who we think is better.
This post was edited on 12/6/23 at 10:10 am
Posted on 12/6/23 at 10:05 am to BasilBogomil
What merit? Going 13-0 against a schedule that went 77-79 combined is NOT merit for being one of the 4 best teams. It would be like giving credit ti a 13 yo youth team for going 13-0 in a 10 yo league. They shouldn't have blocked the playoff expansion or should have joined the SEC already. They didn't want to pay the money to leave the conference, but now they do. Go figure.
It is NOT the players or coaches fault, either. They got screwed by the powers that be at FSU and at the ACC because they kept FSU where they are because of the money. So, you reap what you sow. Now, you screwed your team out of a playoff because, had they played better competition this year (which I think they would have gone either 12-1 or 13-0 probably), they would have a better argument on staying in IF SOS were considered. But, I do concede that money does factor into all of this and TV ratings are something they probably looked at as well.
It is NOT the players or coaches fault, either. They got screwed by the powers that be at FSU and at the ACC because they kept FSU where they are because of the money. So, you reap what you sow. Now, you screwed your team out of a playoff because, had they played better competition this year (which I think they would have gone either 12-1 or 13-0 probably), they would have a better argument on staying in IF SOS were considered. But, I do concede that money does factor into all of this and TV ratings are something they probably looked at as well.
This post was edited on 12/6/23 at 10:09 am
Posted on 12/6/23 at 10:13 am to IM_4_LSU
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Not beating a top 10 team
Not their fault. Dumb point and stupid logic. They won every game on their schedule including their conference rival in the SEC and against LSU. What are they supposed to do? “Hey guys we have a chance to go all the way this year but going undefeated isn’t enough let’s change up the schedule a little bit even though it was made years ago”
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not having a wins vs teams in contention for the playoff like the 4 teams
They never played any of them. In fact, none of them played each other, except Bama and Texas, and Bama lost. Another stupid point.
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your only argument is that they are undefeated and again while that is a tough pill to swallow they were and are not one of the 4 best teams.
No. They were top 4 before the Florida game and won their last 2 remaining. An expectation of some level of consistency and objectivity is not unrealistic here. Furthermore, Washington is not one of the best 4 teams. Michigan might not be either. So congrats, you made 3 really dumb points in the same post.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 10:16 am to JPLSU1981
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Georgia is probably one of the four best teams,
It is not just being the 4 best teams. And it is not the 4 most deserving teams or best 4 resumes. Its a combination of it all. Georgia has a good resume and had been one of the 4 best teams but was eliminated by Georgia in the Title game pushing Bama above Georgia. Texas beat Bama head to head so Texas could not have been left out in that same scenario.
The argument was between Bama and FSU and FSU while be deserving has a bad resume and is not one of the 4 best teams.
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Probably not. But Unfortunately we’ll never get to find out.
Their matchup against Georgia.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 10:22 am to IM_4_LSU
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Not beating a top 10 team,
If LSU has Greg Brooks, we very likely beat Ole Miss and FSU has a top-10 win. If Hilton's arm isn't grabbed on the last play, we beat Ole Miss and FSU has a top 10 win. It isn't FSU's fault that LSU lost that game.
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not having a wins vs teams in contention for the playoff like the 4 teams who got in does not make them deserving of being one of the top four teams.
What about Texas losing to a team that was not even in contention for the playoff? Does that count less than Florida State having no control over their opponents inability to contend? It isn't like FSU scheduled cupcakes and ran the table. They played LSU and UF out of conference.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 10:23 am to IM_4_LSU
You do realize the only reason FSU is out is because their starting QB is injured right?
Posted on 12/6/23 at 10:23 am to IM_4_LSU
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Their matchup against Georgia.
You mean a meaningless bowl game between 2 teams who will likely have players opting out, after losing their National Championship hopes, one of them completely deflated after being snubbed because of people who sadly think the same that you do?
Yeah that’ll really show us all we need to know. FSU got snubbed and they shouldn’t have. They got snubbed because no Travis and how they looked in the Louisville game with a QB who wouldn’t even have been playing in the CFP. If they had Travis FSU would be in. So resume is clearly not the issue nor is SOS. You say it’s about being the 4 best teams, then you say it’s not just being the 4 best teams. I think you need to step back and rethink life.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 10:36 am to TN Tygah
This has nothing to do with FSU. It has everything to do with Alabama control.
TV wanted Alabama. Couldn’t put them in without Texas. Texas and UA make it based on TV viewership. Someone gets screwed, it turns out to be FSU. GA also could easily be considered one of the 4 best teams, but we’re not included so there was room for UT.
Is all a bunch of bullshite.
TV wanted Alabama. Couldn’t put them in without Texas. Texas and UA make it based on TV viewership. Someone gets screwed, it turns out to be FSU. GA also could easily be considered one of the 4 best teams, but we’re not included so there was room for UT.
Is all a bunch of bullshite.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 10:38 am to TN Tygah
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They never played any of them. In fact, none of them played each other, except Bama and Texas, and Bama lost. Another stupid point.
Incorrect. In contention does not mean in the playoff. Georgia was ranked number 1 and Bama beat them eliminating Georgia from the playoff. Washington beat Oregon twice, when if Oregon beat Washington they would have been in the playoff. Texas beat Bama. All four of those teams beat teams in contention for the playoff. If Georgia beat Bama it would have been the same situation.
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Not their fault. Dumb point and stupid logic. They won every game on their schedule including their conference rival in the SEC and against LSU
You don't get into the playoff by simply beating every team on your schedule. Beating a 5-7 Florida team is not impressive. Yes they beat the same team that Bama beat (LSU). If its stupid logic then no one would ever bring up Strength of Schedule or Strength of Record. Congrats on your ignorance.
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They were top 4 before the Florida game and won their last 2 remaining. An expectation of some level of consistency and objectivity is not unrealistic here.
Again you are only pointing to the fact they went undefeated and thats not the only factor when there are only 4 teams being selected. Strength of schedule, Strength of Record, and context all get brought into account.
It is why the 4 Team playoff when there are 5 power 5 conferences wasn't always going to work (some years like in 2019 there were 4 clear cut teams). Next year it won't be an issue as it relates to the conferences which is really what it was all about. By going to 12 they now can have automatic bids for the conference champions. So no matter the situation with Jordan Travis or their schedule they would have been the automatic bid.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 10:40 am to penman
This doesn't make what happened ok and in fact it would mean both Georgia and Bama would be in.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 10:48 am to TN Tygah
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You mean a meaningless bowl game between 2 teams who will likely have players opting out
If they have players opting out then yes it won't mean anything. BUt that is not necessarily the case.
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one of them completely deflated after being snubbed because of people who sadly think the same that you do?
What is entirely funny is your liberal mindset of "if you don't have the same opinion or think the same as I do then you are bumb and wrong."
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If they had Travis FSU would be in. So resume is clearly not the issue nor is SOS. You say it’s about being the 4 best teams, then you say it’s not just being the 4 best teams. I think you need to step back and rethink life.
Because its not any one thing. And if you go back and read my original post I never said "Its about being the 4 best teams." I said they were not one of the 4 best teams and then when I responded to another post I said how it takes into account many different points. SOR and SOS were taken into account without Travis.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 11:08 am to penman
It’s simple. If the starting well above average QB doesn’t go down they in , regardless of all the stuff being spewed in this thread.
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