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re: The 8-team playoff...if it existed today...5 conf champs plus 3 at larges
Posted on 12/9/13 at 12:52 pm to Chicken
Posted on 12/9/13 at 12:52 pm to Chicken
So this would mean a title winning team would play 16 games and the last four games would be the conference championship plus three games against top ten football teams.
Seems kind of hard on the players...err ah student athletes, don't you think?
Seems kind of hard on the players...err ah student athletes, don't you think?
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Posted on 12/9/13 at 12:52 pm to Chicken
quote:It works out this year.
My friends, all these teams are good
It doesn't work out when you have a 10-2 Missouri type team who was in the top 5 and only fell out due to being penalized by losing the SEC Title game, and they get left out because an 8-4 team wins the ACC or Big 10 and THAT team gets in over the 10-2 team.
Posted on 12/9/13 at 12:52 pm to Rockerbraves
Eight team playoff is the logical next step(its kinda dumb it isn't 8 now)... conference champs and 3 at-large which gives independents/Notre Dame and Boise types a shot.
No reason Michigan State and Stanford shouldn't have a shot...
No reason Michigan State and Stanford shouldn't have a shot...
Posted on 12/9/13 at 12:53 pm to wish i was tebow
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I also think that rankings shouldnt come out until week 6ish
Two reasons they need to come out pre-season:
1) Create a strength of schedule baseline
2) Make early games more compelling, which is good from a revenue standpoint. A week one matchup between Georgia and Clemson is more intriguing if I know they are both top 10 teams.
Posted on 12/9/13 at 12:54 pm to Chicken
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I was told that some schools are pushing for six 8-team conferences...48 schools that invest similarly in their football program. The thinking is that schools like Vanderbilt, Wake Forest, Northwestern, Baylor, etc. don't deserve to be playing football with the big boys because they don't bring as much revenue to the table yet the get the same cut as everyone else.
Also, when the big schools finally do break off, don't expect them to play schools from the lower divisions...
this is basically a true "Minor League NFL" system
Posted on 12/9/13 at 12:57 pm to Zephyrius
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It doesn't work out when you have a 10-2 Missouri type team who was in the top 5 and only fell out due to being penalized by losing the SEC Title game,
Meh... nothing is perfect but sometimes that doesn't necessarily hurt a really good team with one hiccup or fluke.
8 team is fairer and workable.
Posted on 12/9/13 at 12:57 pm to SabiDojo
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I guess my point is I don't think it's fair to leave UCF out of this playoff bracket.
Or Missouri. Effectively, they are being punished for making it to the SEC Championship while Alabama once again gets a mulligan.
Posted on 12/9/13 at 1:02 pm to Chicken
a already seen ihj this thread in the first two pages, there would still be some bitching. 
I personally think the BCS is fine as is, the 4 team playoff would be fine had they not come up witht his stupid committee thing.
I personally think the BCS is fine as is, the 4 team playoff would be fine had they not come up witht his stupid committee thing.
Posted on 12/9/13 at 1:03 pm to Rockerbraves
The Division 4 concept is closer then people think. There are a lot of reasons to do it but at the end of the day the driving force is money.
I am guessing of course but it will eventually turn into something like playoffs in other sports and you would go from 4 to 8 to possibly 16 games.
The multiple 8 team leagues is an idea to actually benefit bigger conferences like the SEC. If the SEC was in two 8 team leagues that played round robin, then they would get two teams into the playoffs every time.
The 5 conference champs plus three at large would be a plan that is advantageous for a team like OU or Texas. Neither has to play a conference championship game so winning out is all that would be needed.
On a side note, one of the potential negatives for this structure is non conference games. As a Texas fan, I have always wanted to do a home and home with LSU. Would there be motivation for either school under this playoff plan to ever play each other? It would all be about winning the conference.
I am guessing of course but it will eventually turn into something like playoffs in other sports and you would go from 4 to 8 to possibly 16 games.
The multiple 8 team leagues is an idea to actually benefit bigger conferences like the SEC. If the SEC was in two 8 team leagues that played round robin, then they would get two teams into the playoffs every time.
The 5 conference champs plus three at large would be a plan that is advantageous for a team like OU or Texas. Neither has to play a conference championship game so winning out is all that would be needed.
On a side note, one of the potential negatives for this structure is non conference games. As a Texas fan, I have always wanted to do a home and home with LSU. Would there be motivation for either school under this playoff plan to ever play each other? It would all be about winning the conference.
Posted on 12/9/13 at 1:05 pm to Chicken
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There are NCAA meetings in January to discuss having a Division 4 for football only, which would entail the 5 power conferences breaking off from the rest of Division 1. This will allow the big schools to have more coaches on staff, allow them to feed the players more meals per day, allow them to pay a monthly stipend to the players, etc...these are things that can't happen currently since the small schools of Division 1 can't afford it. When this happens, you will see plans released for an 8-team playoff as described above.
Honestly, this is the way it will have to go if they ever want minimal griping with the system. You'd have to incorporate some other rules too. One would be the requirement that all teams in Division 4 be in a conference (sorry Notre Dame/BYU). Have 70 teams and 8 playoff spots in 5 conferences.
Conference champions all make the tournament plus 1 at-large per conference eligible. Top 3 eligible at-large teams are in.
Posted on 12/9/13 at 1:06 pm to Chicken
I support the 8 team playoff. Would be great for college football!
Posted on 12/9/13 at 1:07 pm to LoveThatMoney
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Or Missouri. Effectively, they are being punished for making it to the SEC Championship while Alabama once again gets a mulligan.
+1
This must be solved for.
Teams shouldn't qualify for an at-large bid unless they at least win their division. Bottom line.
Posted on 12/9/13 at 1:09 pm to Geauxgurt
Great for fans hard on the players. As a former player around week 9 your body is beat down. As a fan I would love to see it. With 8 you would know who the NC really is.
Posted on 12/9/13 at 1:11 pm to Rockerbraves
How does South Carolina get in, when they couldn't win their division, let alone conference???
And UCF is one of those 8 teams.
And UCF is one of those 8 teams.
Posted on 12/9/13 at 1:13 pm to Chicken
I hate the inclusion of the three at larges. Those teams already had their shot and letting in three per year is a really disproportionate amount - plus it will just be three name programs per year instead of people really looking at who had the best season.
If they must have an at large then limit it to one at large and include the one that is highest ranked by the computers instead of the human opinion polls
If they must have an at large then limit it to one at large and include the one that is highest ranked by the computers instead of the human opinion polls
Posted on 12/9/13 at 1:17 pm to molsusports
quote:Yeah that is the sentiment of a couple of the schools from the SEC.
I hate the inclusion of the three at larges. Those teams already had their shot and letting in three per year is a really disproportionate amount - plus it will just be three name programs per year instead of people really looking at who had the best season.
If they must have an at large then limit it to one at large and include the one that is highest ranked by the computers instead of the human opinion polls
Posted on 12/9/13 at 1:19 pm to LoveThatMoney
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Or Missouri. Effectively, they are being punished for making it to the SEC Championship while Alabama once again gets a mulligan.
This is a legitimate complaint. Some people will point out that this happens already when it comes to bowl selections, but that doesn't make it right. Any changes should be attempts to move this in the right direction.
IMO, there are two solutions:
A) There are NO automatic qualifiers. Take the top 4, 6, or 8 from the current BCS standings and go at it. Conferences should do away with their conference champion games in lieu of another scheduled game to prevent a team from benefiting by NOT playing.
B) At-large selections go away. The highest ranked conference winners are in the playoffs. If you want 6 teams, take the 6 highest ranked conference champions. If you want 4, take the 4 highest ranked champions.
One thing that I despise is that I'm almost positive that Alabama would be left out of the 4-team playoff this year in lieu of Baylor and Michigan State. The committee needs to come out and set a ground rules for what they want to see out of teams. If they are only going to take conference champions, make it official. I've got no problem with Alabama getting left out if there are set rules, but getting pushed to the side arbitrarily is absurd.
Posted on 12/9/13 at 1:20 pm to UT755LN
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The Division 4 concept is closer then people think. There are a lot of reasons to do it but at the end of the day the driving force is money.
I don't see that from a SEC perspective. For a team in the Big 12 (a conference without national appeal and largely restricted to a single state) I could see why they would hope for that... but for the SEC and Big 10 they are doing too well with the present format and should be able to hog a disproportionate amount of the total take instead of split it more evenly among a larger number of teams.
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As a Texas fan, I have always wanted to do a home and home with LSU.
Great, but no one wants to do a home & home with Texas if Texas is going to restrict their home game to a network no one wants to pay for.
Posted on 12/9/13 at 1:21 pm to slackster
I love the idea of a 8 team playoff. But I do believe it would completely ruin this past weeks conference title games.
Posted on 12/9/13 at 1:23 pm to molsusports
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I hate the inclusion of the three at larges. Those teams already had their shot and letting in three per year is a really disproportionate amount - plus it will just be three name programs per year instead of people really looking at who had the best season.
This. Either they are all at-large teams and conference champions do not matter, or there should be no at-large teams. I've got a really hard time seeing a team that didn't win their division or conference in the playoffs. I don't want a playoff that would include Alabama in 2011 or LSU in 2006 UNLESS they simply take the top 4, 6, or 8 teams.
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