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re: Steelers place franchise tag on Le'Veon Bell for second year in row
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:49 am to shel311
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:49 am to shel311
quote:
Maybe...and maybe the Steelers should have been, no?
They don't need to be. They can just tag him
This is about minimizing risk for both parties.
Bell's threat is also stupid. "You won't give me the money that I want, so I'll retire and make no money". Great thinking there.
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Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:56 am to Epic Cajun
quote:
Bell's threat is also stupid. "You won't give me the money that I want, so I'll retire and make no money". Great thinking there.
Well obviously he doesn't mean that but he probably feels helpless. He has no other recourse.
This exclusive tag shouldn't exist. Teams shouldn't be able to make you stay with them, especially if other clubs would likely give you closer to what you want.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:59 am to Epic Cajun
quote:Right, so you can obviously see how this is a bad spot for the player and a solid fallback for a team. What am I missing?
They don't need to be. They can just tag him
quote:With one party having all of the leverage. The only way Bell could get the leverage back would be to hold out...then we know 90% of posters would bash Bell for that and not the team.
This is about minimizing risk for both parties.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:15 am to shel311
quote:They offered him what he's worth to them
Or the Steelers didn't give him what he felt he was worth.
Now he's upset that he's on a 1 year deal.
This is on him.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:19 am to ReauxlTide222
quote:Which was likely much lower than his market value....because they had the tag as leverage. Not sure what part of that you're missing.
They offered him what he's worth to them
quote:The process is not set up to benefit the player, it benefits the team.
Now he's upset that he's on a 1 year deal.
This is on him.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:19 am to Giventofly
quote:
NFLPA’s fault. Weakest of all of the Big 4 sports unions. Players should demand reform on this and many other points come the end of the current CBA
They should require teams that franchise a player the second year to be on the hook for 5 yrs at the same money if that player gets hurt. They gamble with players futures and just by luck most franchised players come out out ok.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:24 am to shel311
quote:Of course.
Right, so you can obviously see how this is a bad spot for the player and a solid fallback for a team. What am I missing?
But Bell new about the potential to get tagged when he went into negotiations. He basically tagged himsel with his demands.
But now he's on TV telling Pittsburgh fans he wants to stay there forever and just wants a long term deal.
Ok, Bell.
He felt that gambling on himself with huge 1 year deals was his best way to eventually get the long term deal that he is worthy of. He's clearly ok with playing year to year.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:26 am to ReauxlTide222
quote:Is he?
He felt that gambling on himself with huge 1 year deals was his best way to eventually get the long term deal that he is worthy of. He's clearly ok with playing year to year.
Isn't it rather obvious that he's choosing what he feels is the best choice between 2 choices he does not like?
It seems pretty obvious you're off on that one, and he's taking the lesser of 2 evils based on lots of parameters.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:26 am to shel311
quote:Dude. What are you arguing?
Which was likely much lower than his market value....because they had the tag as leverage. Not sure what part of that you're missing.
Every other time we debate something I realize I have no idea what your point is after a few pages
Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:28 am to shel311
quote:Really?
It seems pretty obvious you're off on that one, and he's taking the lesser of 2 evils based on lots of parameters.
He's running around acting like this one year deal is the devil, and you're right there with him.
What the shite were the Steelers offering that he chose to potentially never receive another contract ever again if he is seriously injured next season?
Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:29 am to offshoretrash
Well that wouldn't make sense. The penalty is that they are paying more per.
It bit the redskins in the ads. Had they paid Cousins a couple of years ago, his contract would be a bargain right now. Both parties have a risk.
It bit the redskins in the ads. Had they paid Cousins a couple of years ago, his contract would be a bargain right now. Both parties have a risk.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:29 am to ReauxlTide222
quote:Do you want me to just repeat myself, or quote stuff I already posted?
Dude. What are you arguing?
Every other time we debate something I realize I have no idea what your point is after a few pages
It's pretty obvious that you're wayyyyyy over simplifying this by just saying, "well if you wanted the long term deal, you could have taken it!!!"
That's just not a realistic take at all, you're ignoring all kinds of context here.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:32 am to shel311
What were they offering him?
Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:34 am to ReauxlTide222
quote:I don't know.
What were they offering him?
Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:37 am to shel311
Is this accurate? This is in reference to the first time he was tagged. That deal was for 5 years.
This post was edited on 3/7/18 at 9:41 am
Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:40 am to ReauxlTide222
quote:I dont know, but it doesn't say what the total guaranteed is.
Is this accurate? This is in reference to the first time he was tagged. That deal was for 5 years.
The "Steelers don't do guarantees" line is telling and likely why he turned down any long term deal.
My point is just because he was offered some amount guaranteed more than the $14mil he got this year, that doesn't automatically mean he should take it. There's a risk/reward, and he feels like the risk of this 1 year deal is worth the reward if he can stay healthy and become a free agent in getting a much higher guaranteed number.
It's way too simple to just say, "well if he wanted the guaranteed money he could have taken it."
Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:56 am to shel311
This is Brown's contract. I'm assuming that type of contract is what turned Bell off?
Posted on 3/7/18 at 10:09 am to ReauxlTide222
There isn't any team that is going to pay a running back $14.5 million a year AVERAGE over 4-5 years like he wants. He is the best running back in the league, but is not worth that when you could draft a guy and get 80% of his production while spending that money on 2-3 top free agents at other positions.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 10:13 am to TheCaterpillar
quote:Could he though?
But he could get more guaranteed money long term and feel a lot better about his financial future and career.
By being tagged, he has gotten 12 million, and now 14 million in guaranteed money
That is 26 million guaranteed
The highest salary for a running back right now is 8 million a year
He has made out pretty damn good by getting tagged two straight years at this position actually
Posted on 3/7/18 at 10:28 am to lsupride87
I REALLY want to know what he wasn't offered.
I have a feeling it's a damn good deal for a guy who wants to stay with his lifelong team and also avoid playing on 1 year deals.
What do experts think he'd command on the open market? Bout $16 million per with 40 guaranteed over 4 years?
I have a feeling it's a damn good deal for a guy who wants to stay with his lifelong team and also avoid playing on 1 year deals.
What do experts think he'd command on the open market? Bout $16 million per with 40 guaranteed over 4 years?
This post was edited on 3/7/18 at 10:31 am
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