re: Sooooo let’s talk about the final play in Penn State/IU

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The kid hesitated at the goal line. I suspect he was told not to score.

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The way he stopped and started looking around confused leads me to believe that the coaches were screaming from the sidelines telling him to go down.

My gut tells me that they didn’t tell him before the play like they should have. You can’t expect a player to do something that goes against all instinct in the middle of a play.

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Yes but it looked like to me that it broke the plane before it hit the ground. Doesn't have to hit the pylon.

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But it did hit the pylon. It hit the front of the pylon, where we should have seen it hit the side if it crossed.

Still don't think you can overturn it, but I don't think that ball crossed the goal line.

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Since it was ruled a TD there HAS to be indisputable evidence to overturn. Personally, I think the ball touched out of bounds a millisecond before it hit the pylon

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Personally, I think the very very very tip of the ball was just crossing the plane as the fat part of the ball - AND HIS BODY - hit the ground. When any part of his body hits the ground is also important. However, had it been ruled no touchdown on the field, I would’ve let it stand because I agree with you that there wasn't indisputable evidence to overturn it - either way.

This is one of those plays that all anyone can say after review is that "they think" or "they believe," but no one can say that they’re 100% sure. Normally, replay will give you the answer 99.999% of the time. This is in that.001% of the time. So, no matter what you may think or believe the replay shows, the replay booth should let it stand.

ETA: It would’ve been nice to have the camera looking DIRECTLY down the line. In this case the cameras seemed to be at about the 2 yard line. Again, 99.999% of the time a camera from the 2 yard line will give you your answer. This was one of those rare.001% of the times that you can't get a concrete answer with the placement of the camera at the 2 yard line m

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You can’t expect a player to do something that goes against all instinct in the middle of a play.

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you can’t? It’s called thinking and playing smart. Tactics, you know. It’s as big a part of the game as brute force and instinct.

It hit the pylon as his force carried him after he was out of bounds.

1% of people think that was a TD.

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Yeah, that's bullshite. It hit the ground before it hit the pylon.

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I didn't say a word about whether or not it hit the ground first, I don't know whether it did or not and neither does anyone else here.

Of course, touching the ground makes no difference anyhow, what matters is whether or not it touched out of bounds before contacting the pylon and we don't know that either.

That being said, if it touches the pylon, then it has already broken the plane of the goal line.

Seems pretty clear what happens

Ball breaks the plane, then as the ball gets closer to the ground it moves back slightly not crossing the plane(when your arm goes from perfectly vertical, to downward angle, the ball is moving backwards)then hits the ground short, then rolls into the pylon


But thats a td because it breaks the plane before hitting the ground

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It isn't clear at all. That's why it's still being discussed.

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In fairness, you seem to be the only one that doesnt see the ball breaking the plane before it hits the ground