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Posted on 5/1/23 at 10:08 pm to Cdawg
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Here’s a guy that criticizes everybody, whoever they take. He’s got the answers to who you should take and who you shouldn’t take. In my knowledge of him, he’s never, ever put on a jock strap. He’s never been a coach. He’s never been a scout. He’s never been an administrator. And all of a sudden he’s an expert. He’s in our papers two days ago telling us who we have to take. We don’t have to take anybody that Mel Kiper says we have to take. Mel Kiper has no more credentials to do what he’s doing than my neighbor, and my neighbor’s a postman and he doesn’t even have season tickets to the NFL.
It was at this moment that the draft became The NFL Draft.
Posted on 5/2/23 at 12:52 am to Fun Bunch
Mel's hairdo is already in the 1970's/1980's Televangelist HOF Mt Rushmore..alongside Jimmy Swaggart, Tammy Faye Bakker, and Oral Roberts.
Posted on 5/2/23 at 1:23 am to Fun Bunch
No he is consistently pretty bad at his job. He’s one of the very worst draft analysts in the entire world. He just happened to be the 1st notable one, so he’s still allowed a seat at the table.
Posted on 5/2/23 at 6:24 am to Fun Bunch
100% NO!
Just for scouting college kids and coming up with a first round draft list for ESPN?
He got one pick right in the first round this year and it was the #1 pick!
Daniel Jeremiah, NFL Network, got 6 right. He smoked your future Hall of Famer LOL
Just for scouting college kids and coming up with a first round draft list for ESPN?
He got one pick right in the first round this year and it was the #1 pick!
Daniel Jeremiah, NFL Network, got 6 right. He smoked your future Hall of Famer LOL
Posted on 5/2/23 at 7:09 am to Fun Bunch
Not sure this is HOF material.
Posted on 5/2/23 at 7:11 am to YNWA
You think we are discussing the HOF for him for how many picks he gets right?
Posted on 5/2/23 at 7:13 am to Fun Bunch
Yes. He is one of the most classic non-player/coach cases for the HoF in any sport. Phil Knight is in the basketball HoF for Nike's role in basketball, Mel Kiper has a more direct role in football than Knight ever had in basketball.
Posted on 5/2/23 at 9:54 am to Fun Bunch
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Should Mel Kiper Jr. make the Pro Football Hall of Fame?
Jim Harbaugh says no!
Posted on 5/2/23 at 9:55 am to YNWA
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He got one pick right in the first round this year and it was the #1 pick! Daniel Jeremiah, NFL Network, got 6 right. He smoked your future Hall of Famer LOL
I can’t believe people still believe that the purpose of draft analysts is to predict the draft
Posted on 5/2/23 at 10:04 am to Cdawg
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Here’s a guy that criticizes everybody, whoever they take. He’s got the answers to who you should take and who you shouldn’t take. In my knowledge of him, he’s never, ever put on a jock strap. He’s never been a coach. He’s never been a scout. He’s never been an administrator. And all of a sudden he’s an expert. He’s in our papers two days ago telling us who we have to take. We don’t have to take anybody that Mel Kiper says we have to take. Mel Kiper has no more credentials to do what he’s doing than my neighbor, and my neighbor’s a postman and he doesn’t even have season tickets to the NFL.
This is one of the most cringe-worthy, old man yelling at the sky, jealous of another man who’s become the most successful person ever doing what he does—in a gig he created—and made millions of dollars in doing that something that you’ve lied yourself into thinking you and your bar buddies could have done (but didn’t, why?) sentences I’ve read. He’s in your papers?
Granted, Mel benefitted by the timing of cable tv news exploding—specifically ESPN and its 24-hour programming—and, later, the internet. Or did he benefit them just as much (relative to the draft)? Was he filling a content hole that NFL fans didn’t even know they needed filling, or was he actually creating the demand for it?
I doubt he was the 1st draft analyst—I’m not sure I’ve ever heard him refer to himself as an “expert—and obviously timing had a great deal to do with his ascent into the public consciousness as he became synonymous with the NFL draft. But regardless of if you think he’s the chicken or the egg, somebody had to be there and prepared to do take advantage of the stars aligning, and there he was. Prepared.
Whether you like him or not—people NOT liking him is part of the gig, too—he unquestionably helped turn the NFL from a 5 month season into a 12-month one and created an industry that has probably spawned over a million hours of NFL draft content in the last 30 years. You could argue that after—or maybe up there with—fantasy football and online betting, the NFL draft is just as responsible for the league’s explosion in popularity as anything. Because of one word—“hope.” Every fan thinks they are just 1 Pat Mahomes or Joe Burrow from turning it all around. And they might just be right. So they hope.
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Posted on 5/2/23 at 10:24 am to Hot Carl
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Here’s a guy that criticizes everybody, whoever they take. He’s got the answers to who you should take and who you shouldn’t take. In my knowledge of him, he’s never, ever put on a jock strap. He’s never been a coach. He’s never been a scout. He’s never been an administrator. And all of a sudden he’s an expert. He’s in our papers two days ago telling us who we have to take. We don’t have to take anybody that Mel Kiper says we have to take. Mel Kiper has no more credentials to do what he’s doing than my neighbor, and my neighbor’s a postman and he doesn’t even have season tickets to the NFL.
This is one of the most cringe-worthy, old man yelling at the sky, jealous of another man who’s become the most successful person ever doing what he does—in a gig he created—and made millions of dollars in doing that something that you’ve lied yourself into thinking you and your bar buddies could have done (but didn’t, why?) sentences I’ve read. He’s in your papers?
Granted, Mel benefitted by the timing of cable tv news exploding—specifically ESPN and its 24-hour programming—and, later, the internet. Or did he benefit them just as much (relative to the draft)? Was he filling a content hole that NFL fans didn’t even know they needed filling, or was he actually creating the demand for it?
I doubt he was the 1st draft analyst—I’m not sure I’ve ever heard him refer to himself as an “expert—and obviously timing had a great deal to do with his ascent into the public consciousness as he became synonymous with the NFL draft. But regardless of if you think he’s the chicken or the egg, somebody had to be there and prepared to do take advantage of the stars aligning, and there he was. Prepared.
Whether you like him or not—people NOT liking him is part of the gig, too—he unquestionably helped turn the NFL from a 5 month season into a 12-month one and created an industry that has probably spawned over a million hours of NFL draft content in the last 30 years. You could argue that after—or maybe up there with—fantasy football and online betting, the NFL draft is just as responsible for the league’s explosion in popularity as anything. Because of one word—“hope.” Every fan thinks they are just 1 Pat Mahomes or Joe Burrow from turning it all around. And they might just be right. So they hope.
How do people not know this was one of the most famous moments in NFL Draft history? Do they really think these are the words of a Tigerdroppings poster? It only gets shown a million times on TV during the run up to the draft every single year.
The Moment the Draft Went Big Time
Posted on 5/2/23 at 10:41 am to Hot Carl
This is from his wiki (Chicken, if I need to provide the link I will, but it’s pretty sparse ).
So Accorsi pointed out there was demand in the market that wasn’t being met—or the market hadn’t been created yet—and Kiper supplied it. Seems like good business.
But his business is not predicting that X player will go to X team at pick 21. Anybody who judges these draft guys by something that specific is a moron, quite frankly. I’ve literally read on here “Has he ever gotten anything right?” or my favorite, “He’s wrong way more than he’s right.” Well no shite, so is everybody.
But to think, just in the 1st round, that ANYBODY could accurately predict X player going to X team at pick X 16 or 17 times out of 32 is absurd. I like Daniel Jeremiah that somebody mentioned earlier. He got 6 right in the 1st round. That’s impressive. But mainly luck.
Most years there are 1-4(ish) guys that may be pretty obvious where they’re going. But as soon as Seattle takes somebody way higher than most people had going, the Saints trade up to take a physical freak DE that nobody’s ever heard of, the Lions Lion, or there’s a big trade at the top, all bets are off and all boards start being scrambled to adjust to the chaos that’s just been newly created. And we LOVE it, eat it up. Because our expectations of who’s going where were actually formulated by Kiper and all his peers. That’s the irony. What you think may be a bad pick (or a reach) is based on your expectations of where a player went relative to where you think they “should” have gone. And the only reason you think they “should” have gone there is because of Mel Kiper! (Or whoever your preferred analyst may be)
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Kiper said that Ernie Accorsi, general manager of the Baltimore Colts, encouraged him to become a draft analyst. Accorsi told him that there was a market for draft information and suggested that Kiper convert his analysis into a business
So Accorsi pointed out there was demand in the market that wasn’t being met—or the market hadn’t been created yet—and Kiper supplied it. Seems like good business.
But his business is not predicting that X player will go to X team at pick 21. Anybody who judges these draft guys by something that specific is a moron, quite frankly. I’ve literally read on here “Has he ever gotten anything right?” or my favorite, “He’s wrong way more than he’s right.” Well no shite, so is everybody.
But to think, just in the 1st round, that ANYBODY could accurately predict X player going to X team at pick X 16 or 17 times out of 32 is absurd.
I like Daniel Jeremiah that somebody mentioned earlier. He got 6 right in the 1st round. That’s impressive. But mainly luck. Most years there are 1-4(ish) guys that may be pretty obvious where they’re going. But as soon as Seattle takes somebody way higher than most people had going, the Saints trade up to take a physical freak DE that nobody’s ever heard of, the Lions Lion, or there’s a big trade at the top, all bets are off and all boards start being scrambled to adjust to the chaos that’s just been newly created. And we LOVE it, eat it up. Because our expectations of who’s going where were actually formulated by Kiper and all his peers. That’s the irony. What you think may be a bad pick (or a reach) is based on your expectations of where a player went relative to where you think they “should” have gone. And the only reason you think they “should” have gone there is because of Mel Kiper! (Or whoever your preferred analyst may be)
Posted on 5/2/23 at 11:07 am to SoFla Tideroller
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How do people not know this was one of the most famous moments in NFL Draft history? Do they really think these are the words of a Tigerdroppings poster? It only gets shown a million times on TV during the run up to the draft every single year.
Wow. That’s on me. I’ll wear it.
It’s definitely one of the most famous moments in draft history, and probably the tipping point in turning it into what it is today. But I haven’t heard it in a couple of years and didn’t recognize it in type.
But, it’s certainly the same sentiment a lot of people share, including plenty in this thread. And that’s fine. I’m sure he and ESPN loved it. They needed a heel and he met all the criteria and was the perfect one. But he’s not as brash and arrogant as he was back then. Or at least the way he came off. That’s why the him and McShay “rivalry” never really amounted to much. It was a completely manufactured construction that got really heated in the beginning, but wasn’t sustainable in its original form because they’re both just too likable (or Mel’s too old and rich) for either to play the heel.
I certainly did not wake up this morning thinking I’d be white knighting for Mel Kiper, Jr. so hard
I don’t have particularly strong feelings about him one way or the other. I just can’t stand people being so wrong. Like him or hate him—I don’t care—but if you think he’s bad at his job, you don’t know what his job actually is. Posted on 5/2/23 at 11:10 am to Hot Carl
Idiots who think they are somehow making a point by screaming, "He is rarely right! Look how often he's completely wrong!" are totally missing the point. In fact, they are the point. Mel Kiper's initial attraction was people tuning in to see if Mel knew more than NFL guys, or their team in particular. But there were already guys who put out their draft sheet. Mel transitioned to Sports Culture Icon when people tuned in to see if they knew more than Mel.
Does anyone honestly believe that there is an overproduced, two night in prime time spectacle that the draft has become without Mel Kiper? He is more responsible than anyone for the NFL's off-season being bigger than the other sports' actual games (you can determine on your own if that is a good thing, or not).
Hell, Mel should charge the NBA royalties for how big their cringefest draft has become. The Association saw the numbers the NFL was drawing and decided to get in on the action.
Does anyone honestly believe that there is an overproduced, two night in prime time spectacle that the draft has become without Mel Kiper? He is more responsible than anyone for the NFL's off-season being bigger than the other sports' actual games (you can determine on your own if that is a good thing, or not).
Hell, Mel should charge the NBA royalties for how big their cringefest draft has become. The Association saw the numbers the NFL was drawing and decided to get in on the action.
Posted on 5/2/23 at 11:18 am to Fun Bunch
frick. No.
Posted on 5/2/23 at 12:02 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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Idiots who think they are somehow making a point by screaming, "He is rarely right! Look how often he's completely wrong!" are totally missing the point.
Exactly
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Mel transitioned to Sports Culture Icon when people tuned in to see if they knew more than Mel.
I actually think at some point he transcended the NFL and sports in general, and became a Pop Culture icon. Frank Caliendo wasn’t the 1st comedian to parody him with an impression.
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Does anyone honestly believe that there is an overproduced, two night in prime time spectacle that the draft has become without Mel Kiper?
I certainly don’t. But I guess the argument would be that it was inevitable and if it wasn’t him, it would have been someone else. I disagree. Or at least think it would have taken longer to find that guy. He was cocky, with a million miles an hour mouth, and slicked-back hair that could have been a character in a Scorsese mafia movie. And his cockiness borderlined—or crossed—into arrogance that pissed the NFL people off, but provided much-watch tv for a 24/7 sports cable news channel desperate for programming to fill.
And maybe most importantly, he had to have the knowledge to back it up. I’m not saying Kiper could be a team scout—not saying he couldn’t—but he knows his shite on college guys coming out. It’s pretty amazing actually. I was listening to him on radio one year during the CFB season or maybe right after, and his co-host would try to stump him (if it was a bit and he had pre-feed players beforehand they both played it perfectly. But I think it was real).
Anyway, the guy would throw out random positions from random schools and say “Go.” Like, “free safety from…Indiana. Go.” And without missing a beat, Kiper would name the player, then go into a 5-minute monologue on his strengths and weaknesses, where he was from, etc…I think I even heard him mention 1 guy’s blood type.
Then the schools got more obscure, but he still had something on everybody. He may not know what he’s seeing as well as an NFL scout, but he crushes video/tape of college players. Posted on 5/2/23 at 3:54 pm to Fun Bunch
Yes
Posted on 5/2/23 at 4:20 pm to Fun Bunch
Because of the weird way they include broadcasters in the Hall, I'm sure he will end up there, as well. I think broadcasters and general media personnel should not be considered in a sport hall of fame, but just broadcasters/media hall, if there needs to be such a thing.
In fact, such things already exist. So I don't know why that isn't enough.
In fact, such things already exist. So I don't know why that isn't enough.
Posted on 5/2/23 at 4:27 pm to VADawg
quote:I'd say it was the other way around, Kiper has made an unbelievable amount of money and fame off the NFL draft. The NFL draft was going on a lot longer before him, and I still think it would have grown into the juggernaut of a show that it is today without him. But he's made it a lot more entertaining with his expert analysis and breakdown of top NFL draft prospects.
Kiper basically created the draft industry by himself and the NFL has made an unbelievable about of money as a result.
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