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re: SEC and ACC expansion
Posted on 6/8/10 at 2:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 6/8/10 at 2:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
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FSU and UM = national programs. TAMU is not
FSU is about to be in the same boat as TAMU brah, you cannot deny this..
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Posted on 6/8/10 at 2:15 pm to aVatiger
FSU is a 4-0 or 5-0 start away from getting their dick sucked on ESPN every week
TAMU is like 3 years of great play away from getting national pub
TAMU is like 3 years of great play away from getting national pub
Posted on 6/8/10 at 2:17 pm to AlejandroInHouston
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the SEC is in the catbird seat
The SEC has a great deal, but the Pac10 is in that seat. Legit forecasts call for a min. of $22m per member per year and doesn't include the new champ game or local revenue.
Posted on 6/8/10 at 2:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
FSU and MIAMI were getting hyped even when playing .500 football. TAMU quietly wins 9 games
Posted on 6/8/10 at 2:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
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FSU and UM = national programs. TAMU is not
TAMU has serious CFB history. They have been tripping over themselves for ten years, but they are still a big dog. Plus, the right coach and they are back in the saddle because they have serious cash/facilities.
Also, holy crap, I just checked out wikipedia, and I gotta tell you, I HIGHLY underestimated the academics at TAMU. Huge research institution as well. Lots of heavy hitters as almuni, too.
TAMU would be a coup for the SEC.
Posted on 6/8/10 at 2:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
the SEC would own the entire state of florida if we got FSU. I lived in south florida for 10 years, everyone is either a fan of FSU or UF. no one gives a shite about miami, not even the city of miami. hell they didnt even sell out the UM/OU game last year until the day of the game.
Posted on 6/8/10 at 2:21 pm to arrakis
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The SEC has a great deal, but the Pac10 is in that seat. Legit forecasts call for a min. of $22m per member per year and doesn't include the new champ game or local revenue.
the pac-10 is a second rate football conference and always will be because of a lack of a second talent center after southern california and lack of preassure on programs to succeed. The Pac-10 is desparate as their programs start to go broke and are trying to make a big splash. The SEC is clearly in the best position because they really don't have to be proactive about anything with the power of the conference nationally
that's hardly the catbird seat for the Pac-10
This post was edited on 6/8/10 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 6/8/10 at 2:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
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FSU is a 4-0 or 5-0 start away from getting their dick sucked on ESPN every week
true, and i agree that TAMU would have to go 8-0 before anybody really gave a hoot.
But what i'm saying is that does anybody really think FSU is gonna start 4-0 or 5-0? maybe.. looking at their schedule the only real problem i see for them is a trip to norman in the second week of the season
Posted on 6/8/10 at 2:27 pm to usc6158
thank you, pac10 fan
Posted on 6/8/10 at 2:27 pm to usc6158
you may underestimate the PAC - if they grab the six Big 12 teams they are talking about
Suddenly you have the flagship schools in two of the three most talent rich states in teh country and a huge population of potential viewers.
There is still a fundamental disadvantage of the time zones to deal with - late games that are too late for big audiences are a major hindrance - but if the new conference were to emerge and be savvy about doing afternoon, evening, and late night matchups of note every week? The PAC could even turn spanning three time zones into an advantage
Suddenly you have the flagship schools in two of the three most talent rich states in teh country and a huge population of potential viewers.
There is still a fundamental disadvantage of the time zones to deal with - late games that are too late for big audiences are a major hindrance - but if the new conference were to emerge and be savvy about doing afternoon, evening, and late night matchups of note every week? The PAC could even turn spanning three time zones into an advantage
Posted on 6/8/10 at 2:28 pm to redneck
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the SEC would own the entire state of florida if we got FSU. I lived in south florida for 10 years, everyone is either a fan of FSU or UF. no one gives a shite about miami, not even the city of miami.
my cuz ran X-country at UM and he says the same thing.. i don't really get it
Posted on 6/8/10 at 2:30 pm to molsusports
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you may underestimate the PAC - if they grab the six Big 12 teams they are talking about
If the Pac-10 gets the 6 teams they want, they change their whole outlook financially, but currently the Pac-10 is in a very desperate situation
shite, even Stanford's, which is one of the richest schools in the country, is taking on big time debt from athletics. Oregon State and Washington State are so fricked if something doesn't happen soon. OSU has gone to playing non home and home series because they're so desperate for cash
This post was edited on 6/8/10 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 6/8/10 at 2:43 pm to usc6158
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that's hardly the catbird seat for the Pac-10
OK.... 17M > 22M
Posted on 6/8/10 at 2:45 pm to arrakis
you're making the assumption that the plan goes through exactly as it is currently and that the estimates are actually correct. If either doesn't come to fruition (likely scenario), then the Pac-10 is back to square one.
Posted on 6/8/10 at 2:50 pm to usc6158
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you're making the assumption that the plan goes through exactly as it is currently and that the estimates are actually correct.
It's all speculation and assumption at this point.
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If either doesn't come to fruition (likely scenario), then the Pac-10 is back to square one.
That's why those 6 are being courted.
Posted on 6/8/10 at 2:52 pm to molsusports
I think expansion is inevitable. Someone is going to do it, and everyone else will have to follow suit. With that in mind I think the SEC should act now (preemptive strike) and pursue the teams it wants most. I don't really like how 16 teams works out, but I think jumping to 20 teams might be pretty cool though. Imagine this:
Eastern Division: UF, UGA, Tenn, UK, Vandy
Western Division: LSU, Bama, Auburn, Ole Miss, MSU
Atlantic Division: SC, FSU, Miami, Clemson, GT
Southwestern: Arky, UT, TAMU, OU, OSU
Obviously, the schools selected is subject to debate. Then you play an "8+1" conference games schedule. This is essential an 8 game conference schedule with a "cheat" that turns it into a 4 team playoff for the SEC champ. You have 8 conference games that determine the division champs (4 divisional games, 2 games against the "preferred" division, and 1 game with a team from each of the other two divisions). So you pair the Eastern and Western divisions as "preferred" and you play each of those teams (such as LSU vs. Florida) twice every 5 years. Teams in the other divisions will be played once every 5 years (LSU vs. UT, for example). From this you determine your 4 division champs. Then, the last week of the year (the week before the SECCG), you play your "+1" games at neutral sites. For this you pair the Western division with the Southwestern divisions and pair the Eastern division with the Atlantic division. The teams that finished first in the two division will play each other. As will the teams that finished second, and so forth. This will effectively give us a 4 team playoff.
The reason I like this is that the divisional pairings create the old SEC while at the same time expanding into a larger conference. In the process, it creates a 4 team playoff that should make for some great football to watch. Thoughts?
Eastern Division: UF, UGA, Tenn, UK, Vandy
Western Division: LSU, Bama, Auburn, Ole Miss, MSU
Atlantic Division: SC, FSU, Miami, Clemson, GT
Southwestern: Arky, UT, TAMU, OU, OSU
Obviously, the schools selected is subject to debate. Then you play an "8+1" conference games schedule. This is essential an 8 game conference schedule with a "cheat" that turns it into a 4 team playoff for the SEC champ. You have 8 conference games that determine the division champs (4 divisional games, 2 games against the "preferred" division, and 1 game with a team from each of the other two divisions). So you pair the Eastern and Western divisions as "preferred" and you play each of those teams (such as LSU vs. Florida) twice every 5 years. Teams in the other divisions will be played once every 5 years (LSU vs. UT, for example). From this you determine your 4 division champs. Then, the last week of the year (the week before the SECCG), you play your "+1" games at neutral sites. For this you pair the Western division with the Southwestern divisions and pair the Eastern division with the Atlantic division. The teams that finished first in the two division will play each other. As will the teams that finished second, and so forth. This will effectively give us a 4 team playoff.
The reason I like this is that the divisional pairings create the old SEC while at the same time expanding into a larger conference. In the process, it creates a 4 team playoff that should make for some great football to watch. Thoughts?
Posted on 6/8/10 at 2:54 pm to DocBugbear
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Southwestern: Arky, UT, TAMU, OU, OSU
Dream on....
Posted on 6/8/10 at 2:55 pm to DocBugbear
There is some logic there, but it's not happening.
Posted on 6/8/10 at 2:57 pm to DocBugbear
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The reason I like this is that the divisional pairings create the old SEC while at the same time expanding into a larger conference. In the process, it creates a 4 team playoff that should make for some great football to watch. Thoughts?
Clever idea that won't work
It pretty much has to be two divisions - because the NCAA will not allow more than one exempt game to determine the conference champ - and four division conferences require two rounds
If you play a two round playoff then four teams get one extra game - and the other 8 have to give up a home cupcake payday from their regular season 12 game limit. It won't make enough money to be considered IMO
Posted on 6/8/10 at 3:01 pm to arrakis
Western: USC, UCLA, Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma
Central: LSU, Michigan, Ohio State, Ole Miss, Miss State
Southeast: Bama, Auburn, Tennessee, Kentucky, Vandy
Eastern:FSU, Miami, FLorida, UGA, SOuth Carolina
Central: LSU, Michigan, Ohio State, Ole Miss, Miss State
Southeast: Bama, Auburn, Tennessee, Kentucky, Vandy
Eastern:FSU, Miami, FLorida, UGA, SOuth Carolina
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