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SCOTUS could hear Title IX sports case
Posted on 7/30/22 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 7/30/22 at 4:29 pm
This is about a lawsuit and the Michigan State swim teams.
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A pivotal Title IX case could be headed to the U.S. Supreme Court.
Michigan State reportedly asked the Supreme Court to hear a case between the university and members of the women's swimming team, ......
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A pivotal Title IX case could be headed to the U.S. Supreme Court.
Michigan State reportedly asked the Supreme Court to hear a case between the university and members of the women's swimming team, ......
Posted on 7/30/22 at 4:30 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
Will this uphold or strike down Title IX?
Posted on 7/30/22 at 4:32 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
care to give us literally any details other than whos involved?
Posted on 7/30/22 at 4:32 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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Will this uphold or strike down Title IX?
The lawsuit is about how you meet the criteria. Is it raw numbers or percentages and meaningful participation.
Posted on 7/30/22 at 4:34 pm to WestCoastAg
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care to give us literally any details other than whos involved?
"The former Spartans swimmers won an appeal in February when a three-judge panel of the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals disagreed with the district court's initial ruling that the elimination of the teams didn't violate Title IX. The appellate court said that the initial ruling miscalculated the participation gap.
Last week, Michigan State showed it had a female athlete-participation gap of 40 during the final year of the swimming teams, and that the women's team had more members than the men's that year.
Lawyers for Michigan State then asked whether or not that gap "must be assessed in raw numerical terms, or, instead, may be assessed as a percentage figure." They also agreed that the rule regarding participation gaps is "wholly impractical" because small numerical gaps "can pop up at any time, due to factors outside the university's control," which trigger a violation."
Posted on 7/30/22 at 4:57 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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They also agreed that the rule regarding participation gaps is "wholly impractical" because small numerical gaps "can pop up at any time, due to factors outside the university's control," which trigger a violation."
This should not be a violation and therefore the analysis should end
Posted on 7/30/22 at 5:56 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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Will this uphold or strike down Title IX?
depends on the case argument but title 9 is blatantly unconstitutional on its face, so it should be nullified by any SCOTUS that has to decide on title 9 rules and how they are applied.
like most things, they might take a very narrow look at just a portion of the argument rather than address the title 9 itself, it all depends on the core argument of what the case dispute they are looking at is
This post was edited on 7/30/22 at 8:19 pm
Posted on 7/30/22 at 5:58 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
The Civil Rights Act was never intended to be a quota system
Posted on 7/30/22 at 6:12 pm to keakar
Hopefully, it strikes down Title IX so we dont have to see men's sports getting cut ever again.
Posted on 7/31/22 at 6:38 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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Last week, Michigan State showed it had a female athlete-participation gap of 40 during the final year of the swimming teams, and that the women's team had more members than the men's that year.
Lawyers for Michigan State then asked whether or not that gap "must be assessed in raw numerical terms, or, instead, may be assessed as a percentage figure." They also agreed that the rule regarding participation gaps is "wholly impractical" because small numerical gaps "can pop up at any time, due to factors outside the university's control," which trigger a violation."
Small numerical gaps??? The sport is literally setup to give women 41.41% more scholarships.
Posted on 7/31/22 at 7:49 am to BigD43
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Hopefully, it strikes down Title IX so we dont have to see men's sports getting cut ever again.
I go the other way with this. All university sports should be club based and self funded. The school can endorse and allow the clubs to use the name (for a fee or cut of revenue). But they should be separate entities and not pull any funds from the school. Thus would eliminate the need for title 9. Schools could concentrate on education. The sports could generate revenue, compensate athletes and staff, be minor league sports with their own governing rules (semi pro minor leagues)..
Posted on 7/31/22 at 1:52 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
Never forget all the mens golf programs that were gutted due to Title IX.
Hundreds of young men had their athletic and academic careers put in free fall due to Title IX.
You won’t hear of those heartbreaking stories on ESPN….along with the other numerous mens programs that were slaughtered in the name of Title IX.
I can’t believe civil rights leaders have not taken a stand against this horrible, horrible civil rights act to have ever been implemented.
Common sense is out there somewhere to strike a nice balance - Title IX was not it.
Hundreds of young men had their athletic and academic careers put in free fall due to Title IX.
You won’t hear of those heartbreaking stories on ESPN….along with the other numerous mens programs that were slaughtered in the name of Title IX.
I can’t believe civil rights leaders have not taken a stand against this horrible, horrible civil rights act to have ever been implemented.
Common sense is out there somewhere to strike a nice balance - Title IX was not it.
Posted on 7/31/22 at 2:36 pm to brmark70816
Then you’ll have only football and possibly mens basketball.
Posted on 7/31/22 at 4:22 pm to KillTheGophers
Kentucky had a world class wrestling program we had to shut down due to Title 9.
I agree with the club sports comment above. The market should dictate which of these are viable.
I agree with the club sports comment above. The market should dictate which of these are viable.
Posted on 7/31/22 at 4:26 pm to UKWildcats
If Title IX is shut down, I would be awfully happy no young man will have his scholarship taken away ever again.
Posted on 7/31/22 at 10:42 pm to KillTheGophers
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Never forget all the mens golf programs that were gutted due to Title IX.
There are over 300 d1 golf teams today. How many have we lost since 1972?
Posted on 7/31/22 at 10:51 pm to KillTheGophers
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Common sense is out there somewhere to strike a nice balance - Title IX was not it.
The common sense is that football should be excluded from the scholarship matching. Or create a women's sport that uses 75 scholarships.
Either way, the money is there to cover it.
This post was edited on 7/31/22 at 10:52 pm
Posted on 8/1/22 at 9:31 am to Ralph_Wiggum
I don't get the "equality" issue here. Schools should be able to offer whatever athletics programs they can afford and are interested in offering. If they choose not to offer a particular program because either they can't afford it or they aren't interested in it, prospective students always have the option of attending another school that does offer that program. In this way the market ultimately corrects itself.
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