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Scott Frost comes back at Saban on National Championship claims
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:28 am
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:28 am
Initially Nick Saban made comments on UCF's National Championship claims:
Scott Frost has replied to those comments:
Pot, meet kettle.
quote:
"I guess anybody has the prerogative to claim anything. But self-proclaimed is not the same as actually earning it," Saban told USA Today in a story published Tuesday. "And there's probably a significant number of people who don't respect people who make self-proclaimed sort of accolades for themselves."
quote:
"But we have a system, and it's not fair to the people who went through the system and earned their way playing really, really good teams -- I mean really good teams -- and really tough games. It's not quite fair to them for somebody else just to decide to (claim a national championship)."
Scott Frost has replied to those comments:
quote:
"Alabama probably has one or two national championships they claim that weren't necessarily recognized by everybody," Frost told KETV.
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By beating Georgia in the national championship, Alabama boosted its number of claimed national championships to 17. Many of the early titles, however, were before the modern polling systems existed, opening them up to debate.
Pot, meet kettle.
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Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:34 am to High C
quote:
"And there's probably a significant number of people who don't respect people who make self-proclaimed sort of accolades for themselves."
Ironic coming from Bama.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:35 am to High C
Sounds like he's agreeing with Saban. Alabama claims some they shouldn't so we did too.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:40 am to High C
That's a pretty weak response from Frost. Better off just not saying anything now that you're not even at UCF anymore.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:43 am to High C
quote:I like coach Frost
Alabama probably has one or two national championships they claim that weren't necessarily recognized by everybody
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:45 am to High C
Everyone who isn't an Alabama fan or a member of the national media correctly recognizes UCF as the true 2017 national champion of college football.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:51 am to High C
quote:
"But we have a system, and it's not fair to the people who went through the system and earned their way playing really, really good teams -- I mean really good teams -- and really tough games. It's not quite fair to them for somebody else just to decide to (claim a national championship)."
they lost their only tough game of the regular season
Posted on 5/17/18 at 12:05 pm to High C
why do people find this argument interesting?
Posted on 5/17/18 at 12:05 pm to AU_251
stupid of saban to comment on it to any degree ...
Posted on 5/17/18 at 12:06 pm to AU_251
quote:it's adorable how the barn has latched onto this
they lost their only tough game of the regular season
Posted on 5/17/18 at 12:11 pm to High C
This shite is so dumb. Everyone realizes that Alabama would've beaten UCF by 17+ if they played for the title.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 12:33 pm to TheXman
Hey bud just cause your shite stain of a school choked away a 20-7 lead doesn't mean the real national champions would do the same had they been given the chance
Posted on 5/17/18 at 12:36 pm to Cheesy Beaver
quote:
Hey bud just cause your shite stain of a school choked away a 20-7 lead doesn't mean the real national champions would do the same had they been given the chance
Because they never would've had a 20-7 lead
Posted on 5/17/18 at 12:43 pm to TheXman
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This shite is so dumb. Everyone realizes that Alabama would've beaten UCF by 17+ if they played for the title.
based on what?
UCF looked pretty damn physical when that one handed monster dominated a pretty decent AU offensive line
Posted on 5/17/18 at 12:43 pm to Zanzibaw
You don’t know that
The fact is, the FBS is a system that completely cuts out over 50% of the teams from playing for the national championship. Hell, there are teams in Power 5 conferences that would have made the playoffs if their jerseys and helmets had another schools name on it.
FBS college football is broken. There’s no damn reason why the G5 should be in the same “classification” as the SEC, ACC, Big 10, Big 12, and Pac12 if they are starting 10 steps behind these teams
The fact is, the FBS is a system that completely cuts out over 50% of the teams from playing for the national championship. Hell, there are teams in Power 5 conferences that would have made the playoffs if their jerseys and helmets had another schools name on it.
FBS college football is broken. There’s no damn reason why the G5 should be in the same “classification” as the SEC, ACC, Big 10, Big 12, and Pac12 if they are starting 10 steps behind these teams
Posted on 5/17/18 at 12:56 pm to tiderider
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stupid of saban to comment on it to any degree ...
Agree, I have no clue why Saban had to comment on this knowing full well that Alabama claims multiple titles that are suspect and this only gives the haters more ammo to shoot back at us.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 1:07 pm to Ross
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UCF looked pretty damn physical when that one handed monster dominated a pretty decent AU offensive line
The Auburn loss to UGA in the sec championship game basically spelled a Loss for Auburn in the bowl game. UCF had all the motivation in the world and Auburn had almost 0 motivation in that game. Auburn played terribly.
UCF was a very good team, top 10 for sure but not top 4. Auburn was maybe a top 10 but likely more like 15th.
The idea that UCF would have won 2 games to win it all is laughable. The Auburn win was extremely overrated.
This post was edited on 5/17/18 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 5/17/18 at 1:41 pm to High C
Gonna deconstruct this sentence/segment by sentence/segment, here we go:
Of course they do (unless it's libelous/defamatory/slander) why we live in America bruh.
It could be argued that Alabama didn't actually earn it by playing a weakass regular season schedule and losing the game that determined the SEC West champion, they advanced to where they advanced ultimately based off reputation and Saban that's pretty clear not by the merits of their football season.
Normally the case in many walks of life, no problem with this statement.
This much is true, at least Saban's acknowledging that reality.
Unless Saban's including the 2 playoff games and Iron Bowl in that characterization, he's basically lying to America's face with that argument. NONE of the teams Alabama played outside those 3 were "really, really good teams" nor were those games "really tough games." Where his argument starts to collapse and lose people.
Saban stating this CLEARLY MEANS he's triggered by UCF's actions and is therefore giving their claim more power and notoriety. Saban, you and Alabama are too big for this, just "no comment" the question or at least make a quick quip about being the ones recognized as champs and UCF's not so that settles that.
His point probably would've been better and more powerful had he remarked that it's questionable whether Alabama even earned their playoff spot based on the merits of their season and strength of schedule, in addition to stating that other schools claim championships without directly mentioning Alabama if can be accomplished.
IN CONCLUSION, Saban should've made his comments short and to the point instead of attempting to make a philosophical argument or just "no comment" to imply that he and Alabama are too big to address nonsense by another school, which they are. Liked Frost's comments but think they could've been BETTER had he disputed the merits of Alabama's season pre-playoff, which are questionable at best if we're being objective.
quote:
I guess anybody has the prerogative to claim anything.
Of course they do (unless it's libelous/defamatory/slander) why we live in America bruh.
quote:
But self-proclaimed is not the same as actually earning it
It could be argued that Alabama didn't actually earn it by playing a weakass regular season schedule and losing the game that determined the SEC West champion, they advanced to where they advanced ultimately based off reputation and Saban that's pretty clear not by the merits of their football season.
quote:
And there's probably a significant number of people who don't respect people who make self-proclaimed sort of accolades for themselves
Normally the case in many walks of life, no problem with this statement.
quote:
But we have a system
This much is true, at least Saban's acknowledging that reality.
quote:
it's not fair to the people who went through the system and earned their way playing really, really good teams -- I mean really good teams -- and really tough games.
Unless Saban's including the 2 playoff games and Iron Bowl in that characterization, he's basically lying to America's face with that argument. NONE of the teams Alabama played outside those 3 were "really, really good teams" nor were those games "really tough games." Where his argument starts to collapse and lose people.
quote:
It's not quite fair to them for somebody else just to decide to (claim a national championship).
Saban stating this CLEARLY MEANS he's triggered by UCF's actions and is therefore giving their claim more power and notoriety. Saban, you and Alabama are too big for this, just "no comment" the question or at least make a quick quip about being the ones recognized as champs and UCF's not so that settles that.
quote:
Scott Frost
quote:
Alabama probably has one or two national championships they claim that weren't necessarily recognized by everybody,
His point probably would've been better and more powerful had he remarked that it's questionable whether Alabama even earned their playoff spot based on the merits of their season and strength of schedule, in addition to stating that other schools claim championships without directly mentioning Alabama if can be accomplished.
IN CONCLUSION, Saban should've made his comments short and to the point instead of attempting to make a philosophical argument or just "no comment" to imply that he and Alabama are too big to address nonsense by another school, which they are. Liked Frost's comments but think they could've been BETTER had he disputed the merits of Alabama's season pre-playoff, which are questionable at best if we're being objective.
This post was edited on 5/17/18 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 5/17/18 at 1:43 pm to High C
Here's a memo for Scott Frost - you now coach a program that has been a dumpster fire for about 15 years now. You might want to focus on that.
UCF wasn't declared national champ by anyone but themselves - is that correct?
Say what you want about Bama's titles, but none of them were declared solely by the school.
UCF wasn't declared national champ by anyone but themselves - is that correct?
Say what you want about Bama's titles, but none of them were declared solely by the school.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 1:49 pm to TH03
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Ironic coming from Bama.
To be fair here, it didn't come from Bama, it came from Saban, who has won the title games.
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