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re: Scherzer: I’m not going to cry about juiced baseballs
Posted on 7/9/19 at 2:50 pm to VinegarStrokes
Posted on 7/9/19 at 2:50 pm to VinegarStrokes
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Posted on 7/9/19 at 2:53 pm to Wayne Campbell
So I went to the MLB comparison website, and looked at all the numbers.
Comparatively speaking, Scherzer has a slight edge in most categories, likely from the difference in leagues and overall team competitiveness
JV has more time doing it, but the thing that really stood out was that Scherzer, while facing more NL lineups and playing less seasons, still has given up 1 more HR than Verlander in their careers.
Scherzer really needs to a WS to cement his place, even though he's looking favorable at this point.
Comparatively speaking, Scherzer has a slight edge in most categories, likely from the difference in leagues and overall team competitiveness
JV has more time doing it, but the thing that really stood out was that Scherzer, while facing more NL lineups and playing less seasons, still has given up 1 more HR than Verlander in their careers.
Scherzer really needs to a WS to cement his place, even though he's looking favorable at this point.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 2:55 pm to McCaigBro69
Verlander's numbers got right prior to the move in 2017.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 2:57 pm to wahoocs
Scherzer doesn't need anything, he is a first ballot guy...
He will reach 200-250 wins, he has 3 CY Young Awards, he has finished top 5 another 3 times, and is a 7 time All-Star.
Just like Verlander would be without a WS ring, although JV has an MVP as well.
He will reach 200-250 wins, he has 3 CY Young Awards, he has finished top 5 another 3 times, and is a 7 time All-Star.
Just like Verlander would be without a WS ring, although JV has an MVP as well.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 2:57 pm to wahoocs
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Verlander's numbers got right prior to the move in 2017.
His stats in the 25 or so games for Detroit were abysmal compared to his starts for Houston.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 2:58 pm to McCaigBro69
Playing for a winning team can help a pitcher and energize a pitcher, it did with JV. He no longer has to be perfect every game to win.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 2:59 pm to tduecen
Exactly. He was coasting in Detroit and that is not professional. It happens though, but it is a fair knock, imo.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 3:01 pm to wahoocs
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while facing more NL lineups and playing less seasons, still has given up 1 more HR than Verlander in their careers.
That the guy who has given up more home runs doesn’t mind the balls being juiced.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 3:02 pm to McCaigBro69
I disagree he was coasting, I believe he felt he had to carry them and just wasn't pitching to his usual high standards. That going to the Stros he felt a weight lifted off his shoulders that he didn't need to do everything.
That Tigers team had no defense and no offense. If he didn't pitch perfectly it was a loss for him.
That Tigers team had no defense and no offense. If he didn't pitch perfectly it was a loss for him.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 3:03 pm to McCaigBro69
If only he had played in the steroid era life would have been so much easier for Beta.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 3:08 pm to McCaigBro69
I see that more as a reflection of their particular feelings about where they stand in relation to everyone who has played the game when they hang up their cleats.
And in so far as it relates to this season specifically, Verlander has lost 10 straight coin flips, and Scherzer has won 10 in a row.
It will even out more by season's end, which could be good for Houston, and not so much for Washington.
And in so far as it relates to this season specifically, Verlander has lost 10 straight coin flips, and Scherzer has won 10 in a row.
It will even out more by season's end, which could be good for Houston, and not so much for Washington.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 3:08 pm to VinegarStrokes
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when you say real baseball players, you talking about like this?
As a Braves fan in DC I'm no great defender of Scherzer but he started the very next day after that hit and had 10 strikeouts, 4 hits, and 0 ER in a 2-0 win vs the Phillies with that broken nose and a hell of a shiner:
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This post was edited on 7/9/19 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 7/9/19 at 3:11 pm to McCaigBro69
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Exactly. He was coasting in Detroit and that is not professional. It happens though, but it is a fair knock, imo.
Verlander had a well documented core problem in 14 and 15. His return to an ace coincides with core muscle surgery
Posted on 7/9/19 at 3:14 pm to GynoSandberg
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Verlander had a well documented core problem in 14 and 15. His return to an ace coincides with core muscle surgery
Not to mention there’s been several articles about him tweaking his mechanics a month or so prior to the trade and further tweaking pitch selection once with the Astros.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 3:20 pm to texastiger38
The mechanics work Houston has done with JV and every pitcher has been outstanding. They are the envy of the league.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 3:22 pm to texastiger38
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Not to mention there’s been several articles about him tweaking his mechanics a month or so prior to the trade
Link? Not doubting it, I honestly just didn’t know this. It would make my point above totally off I’m more than willing to backtrack.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 3:27 pm to McCaigBro69
Posted on 7/9/19 at 3:29 pm to wahoocs
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Scherzer really needs to a WS to cement his place
Scherzer's place is cemented with or without a ring. If he continues at this pace, he's a sure-fire HOFer.
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Comparatively speaking, Scherzer has a slight edge in most categories, likely from the difference in leagues and overall team competitiveness
Overall competitiveness? They were on the same team for 5 years. And there can be no argument that Verlander has been on the better team the last 3 (at least 2.5).
This post was edited on 7/9/19 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 7/9/19 at 3:50 pm to wahoocs
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Furthermore, it has been my experience that people who have made good decisions in their life, worked hard to achieve some level of success are proud of their accomplishments.
People who have not made good choices, have been entitled, and not happy with their place in life, are big fans of change, and haven't accomplished very much.
There are some very successful people who still end up with nothing when all is said and done. I'll let you decide where Scherzer and politics fall in those regards.
dear god. Do you know who Max Scherzer is? There is nothing you could ever teach that guy about decision making or accomplishments or success. What the frick dude?
And the genisis of your absolutely bizarre and atrocious take on this is him saying "Juice the fricking ball for all i care, im going to go out there and win anyway." and not bitching about it.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 3:58 pm to GynoSandberg
Okay, I didn’t read the entire article since I’m at work but that mentions he started the fix on mechanics back in 2015 so this would have been remedied by 2017, his last season in Detroit.
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After the 2015 season Verlander sought a private coach to remedy the flaw. He learned corrective drills using inflatable balls called “connection balls.” You try to hold one of the balls in place on top of your throwing shoulder while forming the ideal loaded position. Only when your arm gets to the proper 90-degrees or less angle can you keep the ball wedged on your shoulder between your arm and your head.
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