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Posted on 8/17/23 at 6:52 am to BZ504
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What happened to Tulane baseball? They used to be really good under Rick Jones
When the NCAA changed the scholarship rules Tulane didn't do anything to help offset those changes.
Posted on 8/17/23 at 8:18 am to The Boat
Also, often the minor sports are forced to bus instead of fly. Not talking about basketball. All the others. 8 hour bus rides during the week are common.
They will have to split these other sports into regional groups or eventually become club. They won’t be paying for them to fly all over like the football teams
They will have to split these other sports into regional groups or eventually become club. They won’t be paying for them to fly all over like the football teams
Posted on 8/17/23 at 8:32 am to Musashi
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Nahh it’s working pretty good, two legit geographical divisions.
It's working for now. You severely underestimate those eastern teams desire for an east coast G5 conference. Old Dominion and Marshall administrations are foaming at the mouth over it. If they had their choice of the existing Sun Belt or a conference with:
Marshall
Old Dominion
App State
Charlotte
ECU
Temple
Coastal
James Madison
Georgia State
Liberty
MAYBE: Navy (If they want) and UAB/Troy (If they need a 12th)
They are taking that conference every time. We heard it the entire time we were in C-USA. Their administrations are not quiet about it.
If the G5 were to every regionally restructure it will be that group that forces the hand of everyone else. Egos (Obviously my team has played a part in that historically) are too big for everyone to come together for a restructure. Once the PAC raids the AAC for four or more teams, that is when there will be a golden opportunity for the restructure to happen. I don't think it will, but if there was a time for it to happen that would be it. If you want to stop the FCS to FBS influx, that is the only way to make it happen. Otherwise you will see teams like SFA, EKU, Missouri State, Tarleton and others make the jump and further muddy the waters between FCS and FBS (G5).
Posted on 8/17/23 at 8:55 am to msutiger
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They are taking that conference every time. We heard it the entire time we were in C-USA. Their administrations are not quiet about it.
they can talk about it all they want. Who is paying for that?
The sun belt has solid footing, an ESPN contract, and much better leadership than the CUSA ever did.
ECU/charlotte/liberty are more likely to join the Sun Belt after the AAC/CUSA falls apart than form a new conference
La tech and UAB should be begging to but they think they are better than the sun belt
This post was edited on 8/17/23 at 8:57 am
Posted on 8/17/23 at 12:12 pm to Dire Wolf
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they can talk about it all they want. Who is paying for that?
ESPN has the AAC, Sun Belt and part of the C-USA contract. It’s just a restructuring. These contracts are extremely minimal to ESPN.
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The sun belt has solid footing, an ESPN contract, and much better leadership than the CUSA ever did.
C-USA has an ESPN contract now. Better leadership? Agreed. Has nothing to do with what I stated in my initial post about those schools wanting an eastern based conference.
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ECU/charlotte/liberty are more likely to join the Sun Belt after the AAC/CUSA falls apart than form a new conference
Only way ECU/Charlotte go to the belt is the AAC completely collapsing and a restructure occurs. The AAC will not collapse and as long as exit fees exist, nobody is leaving the AAC for the Sun Belt.
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La tech and UAB should be begging to but they think they are better than the sun belt
Why should we be begging? I’ve notice a trend of ULM hyping the Sun Belt but all they are doing is dick riding the east. There is nothing impressive about the Sun Belt west. You want to know what gets ratings on ESPN? App State and Coastal. App State and Marshall. You know what doesn’t? Troy and South Alabama or Texas State and Arkansas State. Even the Cajuns against Southern Miss got abysmal ratings. This isn’t to throw a stray at ULL, the renewed rivalry would be the most exciting thing about Tech joining a conference with them. The ratings from last year alone prove that. I actually think a Louisiana Tech - ULL midweek game on ESPN would get some nice viewership numbers because it is an authentic, passionate rivalry. Those Carolina schools know they’ve got a really nice pocket of football schools and rivalries and they want their own conference. It is well known. Would the Belt be a better conference for Tech? Absolutely. But is it program crippling. Of course not. Tech needs to focus on getting the football program back on track and it will all work itself out.
This post was edited on 8/17/23 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 8/17/23 at 12:14 pm to msutiger
If Oliver Luck and/or ESPN themselves take the lead to make a "better conference product" for Tv purposes, the new PAC with the best brands from the AAC and MW can happen. I think the current PAC-4 and their lame duck commissioner have proven they are not competent enough to make this happen.
Posted on 8/17/23 at 12:26 pm to msutiger
Man you truly hope so don’t you? A landing spot for La Tech.
Posted on 8/17/23 at 12:31 pm to msutiger
Except that the SBC West had a better record in head to head matchups with the SBC East.
If the SBC expands at all after the fallout of the AAC/MWC/PAC4 mess, it will start with UAB, ECU, WKU, or Memphis.
There is no desire for the SBC East programs to want to leave. They have a very tight footprint and like minded institutions. The only eastern university that is different is GaSt, it’s more like the AAC universities.
The SBC is very stable and the ESPN contract is close to $3M per program.
If the SBC expands at all after the fallout of the AAC/MWC/PAC4 mess, it will start with UAB, ECU, WKU, or Memphis.
There is no desire for the SBC East programs to want to leave. They have a very tight footprint and like minded institutions. The only eastern university that is different is GaSt, it’s more like the AAC universities.
The SBC is very stable and the ESPN contract is close to $3M per program.
Posted on 8/17/23 at 12:43 pm to Fat Harry
If they’re this bad off just take San Diego state and boise while they’re at it. That’s better than fricking Memphis
Posted on 8/17/23 at 12:46 pm to chew4219
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Man you truly hope so don’t you? A landing spot for La Tech.
I want what is best for my school. In the end, we can control what we control. That is a succesful program. That isn't going to be limited by being in Conference USA. 75% of our games this season are nationally televised on linear networks. Our TV deal is no longer a hinderance.
I think what a lot of G5 fans don't realize is just how little conference alignment impacts on-field success at our level. I think they also overemphasize how much the average football fan knows conference alignment at our level. Which is understandable. G5 fans are almost universally die-hard. You have to be. We cheer for completely irrelevant schools who have athletic budgets the size of an SEC golf team. You have to be a die-hard to cheer for a school where the losses will almost always outweigh the wins. I wouldn't trade it for anything though. That is where so many G5 fans get lost in the conference shuffle. As soon as the AAC gets gutted there will be very little to no difference between the AAC, Sun Belt, MAC, C-USA and MWC. The diehard CFB fans will know the Sun Belt is the best, the average fan doesn't care except to watch a good football game on a Tuesday/Wednesday/Thursday night on ESPN. The G5 is a sinking ship. The breakaway is coming and we are all getting left behind. It won't matter who you are sitting next to when the ship sinks.
From a program standpoint. Winning is the only thing that matters. If Tech wins, fans will turn out to Joe Aillet. A 9 win Tech team is drawing more fans to the Joe against Jacksonville State than a 4 win Tech team is against Troy. So it goes back to my concern that Tech needs to focus on themselves. Win football games.
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ESPN contract is close to $3M per program.
So the new AAC schools are getting 2 million but you honestly believe the SBC is getting 3 million each? The highest number publicly noted is 2 million from James Madison's legislative hearings. But that 2 million includes EXPOSURE. Not hard dollars. Let me assure if the Sun Belt was getting even 2 million in hard cash, your commissioner would be screaming it from the roof tops. If you actually believe that the Sun Belt is getting 3 million in hard cash, I've got some ocean front property in arizona to sell you.
Posted on 8/17/23 at 12:51 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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If they’re this bad off just take San Diego state and boise while they’re at it. That’s better than fricking Memphis
That is the (supposed) eventual plan as well. The AAC schools have manageable buyouts right now while the MW schools have to wait a year not to have to pay what's currently a $34 million penalty to leave.
So, if a rebuilt PAC happens, it will be a two-tiered process with AAC schools first and MW schools later.
Posted on 8/17/23 at 12:54 pm to msutiger
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Only way ECU/Charlotte go to the belt is the AAC completely collapsing and a restructure occurs. The AAC will not collapse and as long as exit fees exist, nobody is leaving the AAC for the Sun Belt.
the AAC is on the verge of falling apart
leaving ECU, UAB, memphis and co holding the bag. The sun belt teams would have no motivation to do them any favors and join them in a start-up conference.
It might have been a pipe dream to start an ACC lite but i just don't see any reason for that to actually happen.
Posted on 8/17/23 at 1:01 pm to Dire Wolf
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the AAC is on the verge of falling apart
leaving ECU, UAB, memphis and co holding the bag. The sun belt teams would have no motivation to do them any favors and join them in a start-up conference.
It might have been a pipe dream to start an ACC lite but i just don't see any reason for that to actually happen.
They have 14 teams. According to reports we are talking about losing 4 at most. They can add two from C-USA (MTSU/WKU/Tech) and it’s just old C-USA. They aren’t going to completely collapse. That is a ridiculous pipe dream.
And yes they do have motivation. They don’t want Texas State, Arkansas State, etc. in their localized conference.
You can pretend that this isn’t a thing, but it was a problem ODU’s entire existence in C-USA. That isn’t going to change in the Sun Belt. I don’t know if they’ll be successful or not but that has always been the goal of those schools.
Posted on 8/17/23 at 1:05 pm to msutiger
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They have 14 teams. According to reports we are talking about losing 4 at most. They can add two from C-USA (MTSU/WKU/Tech) and it’s just old C-USA. They aren’t going to completely collapse. That is a ridiculous pipe dream.
that conference will fricking blow and every AD will be acting like they are on Titanic
Posted on 8/17/23 at 1:10 pm to Fat Harry
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USF
Olympic/Spring sports are going to be sucking some dollars.
Posted on 8/17/23 at 1:14 pm to beebefootballfan
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It quit being about STUDENT athletes the moment they started getting paid.
Doubt the volleyball, soccer, tennis players are getting paid, unless they’re able to snag Instagram/modeling gigs.
Posted on 8/17/23 at 1:27 pm to Dire Wolf
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that conference will fricking blow and every AD will be acting like they are on Titanic
And you think they are going to pay an 11 million dollar exit fee to make equal or less money and play with Arkansas State, ULM, Texas State and Troy?
Posted on 8/17/23 at 2:03 pm to msutiger
????
Posted on 8/17/23 at 2:40 pm to msutiger
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Marshall
Old Dominion
App State
Charlotte
ECU
Temple
Coastal
James Madison
Georgia State
Liberty
MAYBE: Navy (If they want) and UAB/Troy (If they need a 12th)
That's not a bad restructure though; and while perhaps "politically driven" it's geographically sensible and doesn't leave anyone out (assuming that Ge Southern's omission was an oversight). ECU and Temple probably wouldn't go for it unless the music has stopped playing.
I don't know how this will stop the callups; belt and/or C-USA would have to replenish.
Belt may be better for Tech long-term, but C-USA has a lot less pressure and it may be a better place to rebuild your team.
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