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re: Roger Goodell “The average NFL player lives five years longer than you,”
Posted on 8/1/17 at 10:13 am to JBeam
Posted on 8/1/17 at 10:13 am to JBeam
quote:people hate him because he is a douche. Tagliabue was well liked by most fans.
I get annoyed by Goodell's sweeping comments. But I get the fact that his job requires him to be hated by the majority of fans.
People can see straight thru his PC bullshite. Compare him to someone like Dana White who is liked by most fans of his sport but is the complete opposite of goodell.
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Posted on 8/1/17 at 10:17 am to JBeam
Fans think Goodell is going rogue and making all of these decisions by himself, like he's not taking orders from the league owners (i.e., his employers).
He doesn't change the direction of the league without their authorization.
He doesn't change the direction of the league without their authorization.
This post was edited on 8/1/17 at 10:20 am
Posted on 8/1/17 at 12:09 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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I'm not sold on the CTE issue yet because of the lack of control research. I'm not saying it's not real, I'm saying I'm not ready to decide either way until more data is available.
people will hate, but this is true.
You need a controlled research.
If I analyzed 100 football player brains at the age of 80 and saw degeneration, I can't say it was from CTE because there's no control group to compare it with. Its a researcher bias by saying it was from a single cause when reality is that it could be from aging.
Do I think its real, yeah, but the extent of it that they're pushing...I'm not so sure.
Posted on 8/1/17 at 12:14 pm to JBeam
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Very rarely do fans hate owners in the NFL for some reason. I can't really remember the last time an owner got called out.
Because you don't ever really see or hear from them. Only ones recently to get huge backlash were Sterling and Dolan. And it was because they both did/said stupid shite.
Cuban too.
Jerry will catch some shite but that's probably about it.
This post was edited on 8/1/17 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:26 pm to JBeam
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Very rarely do fans hate owners in the NFL for some reason. I can't really remember the last time an owner got called out.
I regularly state the Colts Owner is a pill popping shite head.
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:44 pm to JBeam
What was the average age at death of nfl players of those who died past five years?
Posted on 8/1/17 at 2:05 pm to More beer please
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Because you don't ever really see or hear from them. Only ones recently to get huge backlash were Sterling and Dolan. And it was because they both did/said stupid shite. Cuban too. Jerry will catch some shite but that's probably about it.
And then Jerry comes out and runs his mouth about standing for the anthem. Its like I'm Nostradamus
Posted on 8/1/17 at 2:13 pm to castorinho
There was a study done in 2012 that makes the broad claim that an NFL player has a longer life expectancy. I believe this is what he is referring to.
There was also a study back in the 90's that claimed the average NFL life expectancy is 55.
We probably need a bit more research
There was also a study back in the 90's that claimed the average NFL life expectancy is 55.
We probably need a bit more research
Posted on 8/1/17 at 4:01 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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I'm not sold on the CTE issue yet because of the lack of control research. I'm not saying it's not real, I'm saying I'm not ready to decide either way until more data is available.
Maybe I'm confused on what you're saying. How can you not be sold the CTE is an issue? It's real.
Do you mean CTE being more of an issue with NFL players? Is that what you are wanting more research? Or are you saying you don't think it exists at all in the real world?
Posted on 8/1/17 at 4:11 pm to colorchangintiger
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I wonder what the life expectancy is of a player that has a 4+ year career.
That 2 year career player has been playing football for 20 years more than likely. You think the extra 2 in the NFL is what would make the difference? Any studies to back that up?
Posted on 8/1/17 at 4:15 pm to kciDAtaE
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Do you mean CTE being more of an issue with NFL players? Is that what you are wanting more research? Or are you saying you don't think it exists at all in the real world?
Obviously it's real. They identified in the brains of people. What I'm saying is what is the percentage of people that never played football? Only high school or peewee? Does it develop as you age so someone that is 80 may have it anyway?
I don't know the answer to any of those questions. CTE is an issue that needs to be researched and figure it out, but I'm not ready to say CTE is going to be the end of football.
Posted on 8/1/17 at 5:27 pm to JBeam
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Very rarely do fans hate owners in the NFL for some reason. I can't really remember the last time an owner got called out.
I'd say a lot of people hate Stan Kroenke, Jerry Jones, Woody Johnson, Bob Kraft (for jealous reasons, he's a good owner), and probably now Mark Davis.
And whatever the idiots name is who owns the Cleveland Browns.
You can add that snake Spanos now too.
This post was edited on 8/1/17 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 8/1/17 at 7:59 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
control in which way?
like randomized control? wouldnt there have to be some other method established in order to reliably determine cte plus you would have to compare it to the method that currently determines cte. of course with doctors their expert opinion could vary.
id rather see a larger sample size, perhaps get nfl rookies can have their brains rescanned after every three seasons seasons until they retire.
as the technology for helmets improve, the nfl player will get bigger faster and stronger which leads to harder hits on the brain.
i dont see this cte issue getting resolved anytime soon
like randomized control? wouldnt there have to be some other method established in order to reliably determine cte plus you would have to compare it to the method that currently determines cte. of course with doctors their expert opinion could vary.
id rather see a larger sample size, perhaps get nfl rookies can have their brains rescanned after every three seasons seasons until they retire.
as the technology for helmets improve, the nfl player will get bigger faster and stronger which leads to harder hits on the brain.
i dont see this cte issue getting resolved anytime soon
Posted on 8/1/17 at 8:26 pm to lsucoonass
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control in which way?
I mean multiple things, including can CTE be from one hit or multiple hits? I would assume taking more hits is going to increase the chances, but can you develop significant CTE from getting smoked one time? Can you develop CTE if you never even played football? If so at what rate and what's the intensity?
All of these things we don't know and are significant, IMO. I just don't believe anybody can say with real assurance how CTE develops in the brain. Just a lot more research to be done.
Posted on 8/1/17 at 8:36 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
that means the researcher would have to control and randomly assign participants to get tackled or hit once and compare it to one that doesnt. that could be an ethics issue. i am also unsure of how it could be done.
one football tackle sure as hell can cause paralysis so it is possible it can cause some form of brain damage. maybe not cte because the name itself implies chronic so it takes place over a long period of time. of course cte decreases neuroplasticity of the brain
of course you can develop cte from boxing, kickboxing, soccer, rugby, etc.
but i do agree with you in more research needs to be done
one football tackle sure as hell can cause paralysis so it is possible it can cause some form of brain damage. maybe not cte because the name itself implies chronic so it takes place over a long period of time. of course cte decreases neuroplasticity of the brain
of course you can develop cte from boxing, kickboxing, soccer, rugby, etc.
but i do agree with you in more research needs to be done
Posted on 8/1/17 at 8:42 pm to lsucoonass
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that means the researcher would have to control and randomly assign participants to get tackled or hit once and compare it to one that doesnt. that could be an ethics issue. i am also unsure of how it could be done
I'm not a doctor or a researcher so I can't speak to the way the testing would be conducted. All I do know is I'm not ready to make sweeping accusations that every NFL player is going to have CTE and die early. They may, but we need to see more before I'm ready to go that far.
I think we generally agree, and again I don't know exactly how to fix the problem, but neither do the people that are saying the NFL is over as we k ow it because of the CTE.
Posted on 8/1/17 at 9:22 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
oh yeah we definately agree
just that in order to have those controls it would require a proposal to an irb (institutional review board) irb approval, consent forms, etc.
just that in order to have those controls it would require a proposal to an irb (institutional review board) irb approval, consent forms, etc.
Posted on 8/1/17 at 9:22 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
I agree. CTE is a huge concern but I can't say that 99% of nfl players will get it based on that study. It might be 50% or 70% or 30%. We don't know yet. And then it becomes an issue of what is acceptable risk for the players.
It will be very interesting.
I wonder if technology will develop a helmet with a hit count similar to a pitch count on baseball from which to pull players out.
Heck, just reduce the number of games played or amount played per game also to mitigate the risk.
Or just take off the helmets or reduce them.
It will be very interesting.
I wonder if technology will develop a helmet with a hit count similar to a pitch count on baseball from which to pull players out.
Heck, just reduce the number of games played or amount played per game also to mitigate the risk.
Or just take off the helmets or reduce them.
Posted on 8/1/17 at 9:28 pm to crazyatthecamp
well some of these sample could be outliers.
for instance if a few of these players passed away in their 80's you may not get a clear picture of cte attributed to only football but brain atrophy and damage just from longevity can be expected.
also you have to take into account the era that some of these guys played football in since the helmets were not as forgiving back then.
this is a great pilot study that shows promise in that playing football and taking shots to the head could be correlated to cte. some controls would need to be implemented but im not sure how that can be done.
for instance if a few of these players passed away in their 80's you may not get a clear picture of cte attributed to only football but brain atrophy and damage just from longevity can be expected.
also you have to take into account the era that some of these guys played football in since the helmets were not as forgiving back then.
this is a great pilot study that shows promise in that playing football and taking shots to the head could be correlated to cte. some controls would need to be implemented but im not sure how that can be done.
Posted on 8/1/17 at 10:55 pm to JBeam
quote:Well a male around 22-23 (when they enter the league) actually has a life expectancy about a year longer than the overall life expectancy of males. So it's a bit of a deceptive argument on that alone since our life expectancy increases with age.
The average NFL player lives five years longer than you,” Goodell said. “So their lifespan is actually longer and healthier.
SSA-life expectancy table
But regardless, I would hope a group of people with far better physical genetics than the average person who generally makes far more than an average person, will live longer than the average person.
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