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re: Roger Goodell sees Apple and Google as NFL’s competition instead of NBA and MLB
Posted on 8/6/25 at 8:37 pm to SECCaptain
Posted on 8/6/25 at 8:37 pm to SECCaptain
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Forbes had the franchise valued at $700 million in 2011, so ~$200 million above liabilities. But operational income was clearly negative given their outstanding debts, meaning on a fundamental level the team was effectively worthless
Too bad you don’t get a trophy for being profitable or Pittsburgh would have a baseball dynasty
Posted on 8/7/25 at 2:33 am to SECCaptain
Honestly would suggest reading that article, it was published in a top law journal written by attorneys heading major firms that represent major corporations including pro sports franchises in corporate/contract law.
Many teams are drowning in debt and have never been profitable. The only way they continue to exist are the owners taking on debt to finance operations
When ownership changes, the new owners take out syndicate loans for billions, which includes one loan for the acquisition and another thats revolving credit to cover op ex.
The RELI is a term loan, serviced regularly. However the note for the acquisition is a balloon due in one payment at some point in the future. The capital paid to the previous owners via the loan mostly just pays off that owners bullet loan + other debts incurred throughout their ownership
The leagues basically have 100% control over every team when it comes to financial decisions as they’re tied together via cross-collateralization, including external financing.
The loans use the franchises existing assets and future revenues as collateral (ticket sales, merchandise, concessions, tv deals, sponsors, parking, venue rents, player insurance, etc), there is a lien on all assets and all revenues go directly to the lenders, but the debts are subordinate to the league’s claims and via loopholes created by language in the by laws, foreclosure is pretty much impossible
And I’m sure their debt ceiling/credit limit is tied to “franchise value”, which would explain the dramatic increase in evaluation the past few decades. It effectively creates equity that’s then borrowed against
Edit: Way TL/DR, but that article is very interesting and sheds light on some of the BS in sports
Many teams are drowning in debt and have never been profitable. The only way they continue to exist are the owners taking on debt to finance operations
When ownership changes, the new owners take out syndicate loans for billions, which includes one loan for the acquisition and another thats revolving credit to cover op ex.
The RELI is a term loan, serviced regularly. However the note for the acquisition is a balloon due in one payment at some point in the future. The capital paid to the previous owners via the loan mostly just pays off that owners bullet loan + other debts incurred throughout their ownership
The leagues basically have 100% control over every team when it comes to financial decisions as they’re tied together via cross-collateralization, including external financing.
The loans use the franchises existing assets and future revenues as collateral (ticket sales, merchandise, concessions, tv deals, sponsors, parking, venue rents, player insurance, etc), there is a lien on all assets and all revenues go directly to the lenders, but the debts are subordinate to the league’s claims and via loopholes created by language in the by laws, foreclosure is pretty much impossible
And I’m sure their debt ceiling/credit limit is tied to “franchise value”, which would explain the dramatic increase in evaluation the past few decades. It effectively creates equity that’s then borrowed against
Edit: Way TL/DR, but that article is very interesting and sheds light on some of the BS in sports
This post was edited on 8/11/25 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 8/7/25 at 8:02 am to TheTideMustRoll
Know how I know you don’t know soccer? The same flip can be done the opposite of what you did.
Posted on 8/7/25 at 8:42 am to Bench McElroy
i’m so sick of the NFL and moronic statements like this are a big contributor
Posted on 8/7/25 at 9:15 am to LSUtiger89
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Know how I know you don’t know soccer? The same flip can be done the opposite of what you did.
No because pretty much everyone touches the ball in soccer
Posted on 8/7/25 at 10:18 am to chalmetteowl
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No because pretty much everyone touches the ball in soccer
Ok so you’re saying in basketball the PG and C do the same job since they both touch the ball? There’s no other rules to know? How about a LF and 1st Baseman?
Posted on 8/7/25 at 10:31 am to Bench McElroy
I watch a lot of NFL and college football.
That means skipping certain games to watch Netflix or Prime shows with wife since it’s a long season. I think these are real competition to the NFL but probably didn’t mention since they are partners or may have future partnerships.
That means skipping certain games to watch Netflix or Prime shows with wife since it’s a long season. I think these are real competition to the NFL but probably didn’t mention since they are partners or may have future partnerships.
Posted on 8/7/25 at 3:55 pm to LSUtiger89
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The same flip can be done the opposite of what you did.
You’re right about that. But I do think he’s right about one of the reasons football has had a harder time catching on is because the sport is less intuitive.
Every team sport has different positions, but in football many of the positions are vastly different. A CB and a C might as well be playing different sports. There’s basically rules that are specific to those various different positions. Not everyone touches the ball. How the ball is moved is variable. Different types of scores. Multiple stoppages associated with downs/plays.
The rules are so confusing and subjective sometimes even the officials don’t know things like what is and isn’t a catch or pass interference
Posted on 8/7/25 at 9:51 pm to 1BamaRTR
American football will never come close to the popularity of World football. It’s apples and oranges.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 10:22 am to LSUtiger89
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Know how I know you don’t know soccer? The same flip can be done the opposite of what you did.
I'll be the first to admit I don't know nearly as much about soccer as I do about football, but are you seriously trying to argue that the sports are similar in complexity? Soccer's massive popularity being tied to its simplicity is a pretty well-known and accepted fact. I don't mean to cast shade at the sport by saying that. I like soccer. I'm not saying there's no strategy in soccer. I'm saying that the concept and rules of the game are simple and easy to understand, especially in comparison to a sport as esoteric as football.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 11:00 am to TheTideMustRoll
Football, in it's structure, is the closest thing in sport to war. You have an army of players that specialize in different things. You have field generals planning attacks via ground and air. Even some of the terminology in football refers to war, blitz, bomb, air raid, etc.
Football simulates war and Americans love to fight.
Football simulates war and Americans love to fight.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 11:34 am to Bench McElroy
Football is the most subsidized industry in America… small towns without absolutely nothing in them will have a stadium
Posted on 8/9/25 at 2:17 pm to lepdagod
If you really think about the dynamics of the sport and when it was invented/what the US’s m.o. at the time was, the game was obviously invented to create teenagers that would be superior soldiers
This post was edited on 8/9/25 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 8/11/25 at 1:54 pm to Bench McElroy
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But the NFL surely hopes to chase, and to catch, soccer.
Posted on 8/12/25 at 7:15 am to Alt26
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The NFL (and college football) always leaves you wanting more.
I don't know sitting through three hours of commercials and game stoppages doesn't leave me wanting more.
Posted on 8/12/25 at 9:01 am to spaghettioeauxs
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The primary reason the NFL is so popular is simply fantasy football. All of the sudden you have a vested interest in players from teams you’d normally not give a single shite about. I know the other leagues have fantasy but the NFL’s calendar works so well with week to week matchups. I’d like to know the valuation FF contributes to the NFL alone.
Yeah and don't forget how many people play FF for money and people bet on games. If you like sports gambling the NFL on Thursday-Sunday-Monday is where the action is. Sit in front of a tv or at a bar and watch all the games and see how your money is doing.
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