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re: Rich Eisen and Sark on stupidity of current CFB
Posted on 12/15/24 at 10:10 am to hashtag
Posted on 12/15/24 at 10:10 am to hashtag
The schools need to separate themselves from the athletic programs that are run outside of the school control and make everyone gain acceptance to the universities in anonymity.
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Posted on 12/15/24 at 10:11 am to Adam Banks
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Link?
You have internet under that rock you’re living?
Posted on 12/15/24 at 10:23 am to Eighteen
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You’re recruiting, you’re monitoring the portal activity, and trying to keep your players together all while prepping for games? Why is this stupidity set up this way?
Not possible for a head coach to manage all of these situations.
Soon all teams are gonna have a management/GM staff to handle all of this so the head coach can just coach his team.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 10:30 am to kywildcatfanone
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Quit pretending they are anything other than professional athletes wearing college jerseys
They are indeed and absolutely professional athletes playing for a college or university team. It's an inferior pro football product because the teams will now have teams composed of free agents with one year contracts. There will never be the kind of team competence that comes from the same groups of players practicing and playing on the same team for a few years.
The NFL is the superior pro football product. "College" football is going to generate some incompetent football, because the "teams" are not teams in any real sense.
I'm going to focus my attention on the superior pro football product and watch the CFB Playoffs. I won't bother watching the bowl games.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 10:31 am to hashtag
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they may not have been able to prevent it. But they could have controlled it if they introduced it themselves with some guidelines. It would have been less likely to be legally challenged. Or at least, not this early in the process.
Agreed. Had they not gone kicking and screaming and instead, gotten out in front the inevitable, and rolled out some agreed upon rules and guidelines, I think you could have slowed this down a bit to where it’s not a total free for all.,
Now I feel like it’s time to sit the NCAA down office space style and ask “ummm what is it you do here now ?” The major conferences wield more power than they do now, why would you abide by any of their rules anymore ?
Posted on 12/15/24 at 10:33 am to POTUS2024
It’s beyond stupid and a horrible product. It’s a full time job as a fan to even know who is on your team from year to year.
This post was edited on 12/15/24 at 10:35 am
Posted on 12/15/24 at 10:42 am to ConcreteThreshold
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You have internet under that rock you’re living?
Delegating is important.
It makes the little people feel important and that they are contributing.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 10:43 am to St Augustine
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It’s a full time job as a fan to even know who is on your team from year to year.
It's illogical to root for any player. He is a free agent on a one year contract.
You are rooting for the laundry that they wear during the games.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 12:05 pm to BilJ
quote:the individual players wield more power than both the major conferences and the NCAA.
The major conferences wield more power than they do now, why would you abide by any of their rules anymore ?
Posted on 12/15/24 at 12:38 pm to InkStainedWretch
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You get it. What is happening today was inevitable. But there’s a subset of fans who will always regard players as transitory gladiators who exist only to provide them entertainment instead of the ones actually putting their asses and necks on the line out there.
The race-baiters and do-gooders who beat the drums for paying these poor, exploited players and allowing unlimited movement, as usual with those types, got it wrong. The organization limiting players' ability to make money is not the NCAA but the NFL. Their rule about not letting players in until 3 years after HS graduation is the restriction that matters. No one was dragooning any of these kids into going to college to play football. Every single one of them volunteered. The schools were up front, "Anyone who wants free tuition, special admission consideration, free room/board/laundry, professional coaching and being treated like heros for four years sign here."
The fact is, outside of the framework of their affiliation to the colleges and universities, there is no market for these 18-20 yr old football players. None. If there was, some rich entrepreneurs would have started a football minor league decades ago. No one ever has. So that should tell all the morons yelling "muh capitalism!!!" like they've scored some kind of gotcha! that the players have been, if anything, overpaid for decades.
These court cases didn't free up the players to take advantage of a capitalist system. It forced an artificial market onto the schools by judicial fiat.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 12:40 pm to hashtag
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If the NCAA has actually done it's job, we might not be here today
Yep, they were greedy and ignored small issues that turned into massive ones.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 12:54 pm to SoFla Tideroller
You're right about the NFL part. The rest of what you said is just silly. And trying to bring politics into this with the crack about "race baiters and do gooders," I will point out that the main Supreme Court decision in this was 9-0 and that radical Trotskyite Brett Kavanaugh in what he wrote signaled that he was inclined to go even farther in the players' favor.
Let's cut to the chase here. I fully acknowledge without the fans watching on TV or in the stands there's no point to this, but college football fans because the sport is so tradition bound and tied to all the pageantry involving the schools are so passionate that they think they actually own the product and their interests should in all cases be predominant and they in all cases should be the most important element in the equation, have always had an inflated sense of personal ownership in the product.
That may have worked before this became a zillion dollar business. It's not feasible in a zillion dollar business. The hired hands aren't going to be satisfied with the things you cited plus $100 handshakes anymore.
It's naive to cling to any illusions that this is not a business first and a sport second now. And it's not judicial fiat to ensure that the laws about restraint of trade and freedom of employees' movement are ensured absent contractual agreements to limit those things.
That's the only fix here. Nobody's gonna come in and say "this is the way it's going to be, do what you're told" anymore.
Let's cut to the chase here. I fully acknowledge without the fans watching on TV or in the stands there's no point to this, but college football fans because the sport is so tradition bound and tied to all the pageantry involving the schools are so passionate that they think they actually own the product and their interests should in all cases be predominant and they in all cases should be the most important element in the equation, have always had an inflated sense of personal ownership in the product.
That may have worked before this became a zillion dollar business. It's not feasible in a zillion dollar business. The hired hands aren't going to be satisfied with the things you cited plus $100 handshakes anymore.
It's naive to cling to any illusions that this is not a business first and a sport second now. And it's not judicial fiat to ensure that the laws about restraint of trade and freedom of employees' movement are ensured absent contractual agreements to limit those things.
That's the only fix here. Nobody's gonna come in and say "this is the way it's going to be, do what you're told" anymore.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 1:18 pm to InkStainedWretch
The problem isn't the portal or NIL, it's the unregulated nature of each. If schools and conferences weren't making a shite ton off of TV, they could force the issue, but no one is going to kill that cash cow. So, fans are the ones that suffer with an inferior product. Everyone else is getting filthy rich. Only choice is to stay home and turn off the TV.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 2:12 pm to dalefla
I actually am way more in agreement with you than disagreement. But is the product inferior because of how it’s being played on the field or because players aren’t hanging around to where fans can “build relationships” with them?
Posted on 12/15/24 at 2:16 pm to RollTide1987
Fans were OK with the coaches who were grown men lying to minors and their about 3 year commitments than bailing on them for a million-dollar pay day. 
Posted on 12/15/24 at 2:21 pm to SoFla Tideroller
The market is the market. Boosters would not be paying $1, $5 million for recruits if their value wasn't there.
Why aren't boosters refusing to pay the greedy players and taking in cheaper 1 star, unranked prospects that would be happy with a cot? Because they know they have to up the ante to win.
Again we saw schools fire a coach, paying his $10 million buyout, then hand his replacement a $40 million contract. Then the NCAA penalizes a player for taking $100,000 under the table over 4 years.
It was always an insane situation.
Why aren't boosters refusing to pay the greedy players and taking in cheaper 1 star, unranked prospects that would be happy with a cot? Because they know they have to up the ante to win.
Again we saw schools fire a coach, paying his $10 million buyout, then hand his replacement a $40 million contract. Then the NCAA penalizes a player for taking $100,000 under the table over 4 years.
It was always an insane situation.
This post was edited on 12/15/24 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 12/15/24 at 2:26 pm to RelicBatches86
quote:why? Compensation packages have always varied among employees at companies. They can vary wildly among different job titles, and some times even within the same job title.
Again we saw schools fire a coach, paying his $10 million buyout, then hand his replacement a $40 million contract. Then the NCAA penalizes a player for taking $100,000 under the table over 4 years.
It was always an insane situation.
If I take $100,000 under the table from a vendor while my CEO makes $50 million, I'm still gonna get in trouble for it due to a company policy.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 5:25 pm to InkStainedWretch
Both. Players aren't getting two or three years together in a system which leads to shitty performance on the field and fans can't keep up with new roster every year.
2019 LSU or 2020 BAMA would absolutely smoke any of the playoff teams for this very reason.
2019 LSU or 2020 BAMA would absolutely smoke any of the playoff teams for this very reason.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 5:49 pm to RollTide1987
quote:100% agree!
Fans are okay with players having agency. What they aren't okay with is unrestricted free agency via the transfer portal and unregulated pay for play where the loyalty of a recruit is up to the highest bidder. Everyone is okay with and expects $100 handshakes. What they aren't okay with is $10.5 million being given to a minor to play football.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 6:06 pm to Champagne
quote:It is absolutely amazing how few people truly realize this.
You are rooting for the laundry that they wear during the games.
I have always told people that I don't love Auburn because of Bo Jackson, Charles Barkley or Bo Nix. I love those guys BECAUSE of Auburn.
This post was edited on 12/15/24 at 6:08 pm
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