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re: Report: Hamlin did not have pre-existing cardiac issues; collision was cause of incident

Posted on 1/12/23 at 8:24 am to
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 1/12/23 at 8:24 am to
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If they could conclusively show why a healthy young person had a cardiac event a week after a booster shot. They cant.
Where did you do your cardio fellowship? School of Hard Knocks?
Posted by iBack8569
Member since Dec 2021
1585 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 8:38 am to
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Bull shite.

Barely any collision.


They just expect everyone to eat up this horse shite narrative and not ask questions huh?

Confirms to me it was the vaccine.


It doesn't take much to knock the heart out of rhythm if its unprotected. Commotio cordis is an extremely rare occurrence in sports. In sports like football and basketball athletes usually have a chance to react to contact to the chest by tensing the chest muscles, making it harder to penetrate enough to affect the heart. It is more likely to occur in sports like hockey and baseball where the athlete has more of a chance of not being prepared for contact from a baseball or a puck that may be moving in excess of 70-100mph at a blink of an eye. A surprise chest shot in a contact sport has a chance at causing it. After watching Hamlin's hit it looks as though he was going to prep for a tackle, but the receiver suddenly stuck him dead in the chest. Not a vaccine related issue.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27588 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 12:39 pm to
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not hard in the sense that It would've appeared on ESPN'S old "jacked up" segment. But it was definitely hard in the sense that if you were on the receiving end of it


Like Dale Earnhardts wreck. It was dull as dirt. No flames no spin no flips. Just a solid hard impact.
Posted by papasmurf1269
Hells Pass
Member since Apr 2005
21379 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 12:51 pm to
I read an article written by a cardiologist saying the fact that he had to be resuscitated twice,once on the field and once later in his opinion does a way with the fact that the impact could’ve caused this
Posted by studentforlife
Member since Jun 2013
81 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:22 pm to
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I read an article written by a cardiologist saying the fact that he had to be resuscitated twice,once on the field and once later in his opinion does a way with the fact that the impact could’ve caused this



This "fact" is not at all true.

He lost his pulses/received CPR/was defibrillated ONLY on the field. There was no second cardiac arrest. This was rapidly clarified by the family and later by the physicians caring for him, after an uncle inaccurately reported that it had happened again at the hospital.
Posted by ecb
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:36 pm to
Tin foil alert
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
66525 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 3:12 pm to
Fake news
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
33359 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 6:23 pm to
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After watching Hamlin's hit it looks as though he was going to prep for a tackle, but the receiver suddenly stuck him dead in the chest. Not a vaccine related issue.

Good Lord



For the 50th time, Damars treating neurologist, Dr. William Knight said that commitio cordis is least likely the cause of him coding
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Commitio cordis is "incredibly rare" a "diagnosis of exclusion," explained Dr. William Knight IV, director of the Emergency Medicine MLP Program at University of Cincinnati Health, at the Jan. 5 press conference — meaning that "we have to rule out many other more common or more deadly or more fixable type conditions before we can settle in on an ultimate diagnosis such as that."

"Is it on the list of considerations? It is, but (Hamlin) has many other things that we need to work through before a final ... cause for (his cardiac arrest) can be definitively defined," Knight added.

Quit repeating this bullshite nonsense
Posted by OldmanBeasley
Charlotte
Member since Jun 2014
10953 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 6:54 pm to
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For the 50th time, Damars treating neurologist, Dr. William Knight said that commitio cordis is least likely the cause of him coding

That’s not what he said in the quote you provided.
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
Member since Jun 2011
75817 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 8:13 pm to
Anyone saying this has anything to do with the Covid vaccine is a fricking knob who shouldn’t reproduce.
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
33359 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 8:21 pm to
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That’s not what he said in the quote you provided.

Thats exactly what he said

!) extremely rare
2) a diagnosis of exclusion
3) have to rule out via testing, everything else first

Thats exactly what "least likely" means. Every other condition gets ruled out before we even consider it to be at commitio cordis
Posted by studentforlife
Member since Jun 2013
81 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 9:56 am to
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Thats exactly what he said

!) extremely rare- Yes
2) a diagnosis of exclusion - Yes
3) have to rule out via testing, everything else first - Yes

Thats exactly what "least likely" means. - NOPE
Every other condition gets ruled out before we even consider it to be at commitio cordis Yes


a diagnosis of exclusion does not mean something has to be the least likely diagnosis. It just means there is no good test for it and the things that could be intervened upon/are dangerous need to be ruled out before settling on the diagnosis.

To give an every day example - first trimester vaginal bleeding occurs in approximately 25% of pregnancies and is most commonly benign (implantation bleeding or threatened spontaneous abortion). However these are diagnoses of exclusion, so the standard of care is to rule out less common, more dangerous causes such as ectopic pregnancy, heterotopic pregnancy, molar pregnancy, incomplete spontaneous abortion, cervical malignancy, etc. Once these are ruled out, the diagnosis of exclusion -threatened spontaneous abortion (which is also the most likely diagnosis when they walk in the door) is given.

In this case, I am confident they
- rapidly ruled out acute coronary syndrome (most common cause of cardiac arrest) and pericarditis via EKG and likely serial troponins.

- ruled out HOCM via echo.

- ruled out preexisting conditions long QT, brugada, WPW, and ARVD with EKGs

-ruled out severe metabolic derangements such as hyper/hypokalemia and hypomagnesemia (would be unlikely in a young healthy patient) with labs

- profound hypo/hyperthermia was ruled out by taking his temperature (even though it was very unlikely)

- As I had pointed out before acute R sided heart failure secondary to PE does not at all fit his presentation but was also ruled out with an echo and ct chest that they were doing anyway.

- based on presentation (and subsequent workup), traumatic aortic dissection, pericardial effusion leading to tamponade, hemorrhagic shock, and tension hemo/pneumothorax were ruled out

- ruled out intracranial pathology (traumatic intracranial hemorrhage, ruptured aneurysm, or malignancy via head CT (and likely follow up MRI)

-ruled out lightening strike or shock by a high voltage line via video review

- likely performed a urine drug screen to rule out accidental opioid overdose (very common in general population but highly unlikely in this case)

And so we are left with Commotio Cordis as the most likely diagnosis, now that other things that could be tested for have been ruled out.
Posted by OldmanBeasley
Charlotte
Member since Jun 2014
10953 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:05 am to
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Thats exactly what "least likely" means. Every other condition gets ruled out before we even consider it to be at commitio cordis

Real subtle I have no idea what diagnosis by exclusion means brag.
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
Lurking the Tin Foil Hat Board
Member since Jul 2009
50491 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:44 am to
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Almost every single instance of commotio cordis happens in teen boys that get hit with a baseball in the chest. A 90 MPH baseball hitting the chest of a not fully developed kid's unprotected chest VS a 15 MPH helmet hitting a pad protected chest. These are worlds apart.


How about this?



Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
33359 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:46 am to
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a diagnosis of exclusion does not mean something has to be the least likely diagnosis.

Well, in this case it does

By extremely rare, he means
* its never been reported outside the teen years.
* Its never been reported in football.
* Its never been reported in any venue, due to hard contact.
* Its never been reported other than a specific sized object like a baseball or hockey puck

Heres the objects that are listed in previous diagnosed deaths
baseball
hockey puck
lacrosse ball
softball

Here are the list of sports associated with previous deaths
baseball
cricket
hockey
lacrosse
softball
full contact martial arts

And another reason Dr Knight is looking at everything else first
quote:

fewer than 30 events are reported each year. This condition is most commonly seen in boys between the ages of 8 and 18. One reason why commotio cordis may be more common in younger people is that their chest walls are less developed.

Damar falls within none of the previously known incidences of commotio cordis. NOT ONE SINGLE FACTOR
Posted by OldmanBeasley
Charlotte
Member since Jun 2014
10953 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:56 am to
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And another reason Dr Knight is looking at everything else first

That’s how you diagnose by exclusion.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112624 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:06 am to
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Almost every single instance of commotio cordis happens in teen boys that get hit with a baseball in the chest. A 90 MPH baseball hitting the chest of a not fully developed kid's unprotected chest VS a 15 MPH helmet hitting a pad protected chest. These are worlds apart.

The percent chance of this being commotio cordis is the same percent chance that I give 'demonic possession' as the cause of his issue.
Can you provide your background/experience or expertise in this field?
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112624 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:07 am to
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bullshite.

Barely any collision.


They just expect everyone to eat up this horseshite narrative and not ask questions huh?

Confirms to me it was the vaccine.
Covid has broken some of you.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112624 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:08 am to
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If they could conclusively show why a healthy young person had a cardiac event a week after a booster shot.

They cant.
So you want them to conclusively show something, but you have no issues at all establishing your opinion as 100% correct but you have no ability to conclusively show that.

Well then...
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112624 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:12 am to
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Well, in this case it does

By extremely rare, he means
* its never been reported outside the teen years.
What? It has happened outside of teen years, what are you talking about?
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