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re: Quinnen Williams: It's not really fair that linemen are never in the Heisman conversation
Posted on 12/6/18 at 5:42 am to Bench McElroy
Posted on 12/6/18 at 5:42 am to Bench McElroy
I can't really disagree with him.
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Posted on 12/6/18 at 5:46 am to SpartyGator
I thought Dorsey was going to make the trip to New York until Chaz Ramsey took out his knee.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 5:52 am to rebel of fortune
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Ndamukong Suh should’ve won it over Mark Ingram that one year. Suh was an absolute monster in college that year.
Rolando McClain should have won it over Suh.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 6:03 am to 1BamaRTR
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Yards and TDs are flashy. Plus with the way the sport is designed, the RBs and QBs can impact a game quite a bit more.
I'd argue in Alabama's case Williams is the more valuable player
Against CFP competition if I had to do without one player for them I'd do without Tua. Williams has a huge impact on their games.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 6:12 am to ReauxlTide222
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Most underrated college or NFL player of all time and I'm not sure it's close.
he's only a hall of famer in both.
no big deal.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 6:15 am to Federal Tiger
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I thought Dorsey was going to make the trip to New York until Chaz Ramsey took out his knee.
Dorsey for Heisman shirts were all the rage back then.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 6:36 am to BBATiger
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Everything said in this thread is true.....which is why to this day it’s unbelievable that Charles Woodson won it over Peyton Manning.
Nothing Peyton Manning did in college warranted winning the Heisman and particularly not his senior year
Against elite competition they weren't competitive. You could say that they didn't have the talent to match elite competition but they won the BCS title the next year with Tee Martin so that doesn't fly
Manning had as great of an NFL career as you can imagine but he did not deserve to win the Heisman.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 6:41 am to Rep520
I don’t think Ingram was the best player on that Bama team, FWIW. Rolando McClain was a beast at ILB.
Suh should have won in 2009, and the Honey Badger should have won in 2011. No one player had a bigger impact on CFB in 2011 than HB7. Robert Griffin was deserving, certainly, but the Honey Badger was awesome.
Suh should have won in 2009, and the Honey Badger should have won in 2011. No one player had a bigger impact on CFB in 2011 than HB7. Robert Griffin was deserving, certainly, but the Honey Badger was awesome.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 7:13 am to PrimeTime Money
Hurts seemed to come in and win the title game so ?
Posted on 12/6/18 at 7:16 am to rebel of fortune
quote:No shite... but losing Tua is a bigger blow than losing an offensive lineman.
Bama would still be the favorite with Hurts at QB
Posted on 12/6/18 at 7:28 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Calvin Johnson could have won it.
Joe Hamilton is the GT guy that should have won it
not germaine to the discussion but never get a chance to mention Joe Hamilton, was basically a better Doug Flutie
lost to Ron Dayne I think, ho hum
Posted on 12/6/18 at 1:07 pm to Bench McElroy
Completely agree with Quinnen. But due to the difference in totaling stats for offensive skill players vs. other positions, the heisman will always go to an offensive skill player.
What looks better to the standard voter?
QB with 4,000 passing yards, 30 TDs
or
LB with 45 tackles, 10 sacks.
Obviously the QB.
Now with the emergence of PFF, there would have to be something similar to use to be able to compare athletes across positions accurately AND it has to be mainstream to even give these types of guys a chance.
What looks better to the standard voter?
QB with 4,000 passing yards, 30 TDs
or
LB with 45 tackles, 10 sacks.
Obviously the QB.
Now with the emergence of PFF, there would have to be something similar to use to be able to compare athletes across positions accurately AND it has to be mainstream to even give these types of guys a chance.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 1:09 pm to PrimeTime Money
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No shite... but losing Tua is a bigger blow than losing an offensive lineman.
Losing Tua is the only reason they won the SEC championship game
Posted on 12/6/18 at 1:24 pm to rebel of fortune
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Ndamukong Suh
I can’t stand the guy, but what he did to Texas in the Big12 title game that year should be illegal. Dude wrecked their offense all by himself.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 1:30 pm to ReauxlTide222
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Derrick Thomas followed up an 18 sack season with a 27 sack season. That got him a 10th place finish for the Heisman
That's just criminal.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 1:34 pm to StupidBinder
No doubt. He was otherworldly.
Definitely not on the same level, but Williams absolutely wrecked LSU this year.
There was a good portion of the game where it felt like within 1.5 seconds of every snap he was standing in the backfield effectively ending whatever LSU was trying to do. Hell he was beating double teams then beating a scrambling Burrow to the sideline sometimes. It was incredible.
Definitely not on the same level, but Williams absolutely wrecked LSU this year.
There was a good portion of the game where it felt like within 1.5 seconds of every snap he was standing in the backfield effectively ending whatever LSU was trying to do. Hell he was beating double teams then beating a scrambling Burrow to the sideline sometimes. It was incredible.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 1:39 pm to jevins_slickin
quote:you just need writers who actually watch games...
Now with the emergence of PFF, there would have to be something similar to use to be able to compare athletes across positions accurately AND it has to be mainstream to even give these types of guys a chance.
and a Suh on a certifiable NC contender with not a good offense
Posted on 12/6/18 at 1:41 pm to TbirdSpur2010
What's so criminal about it is he had all the other things you need to get the media hype rolling, and still didn't even get close.
Played for Alabama.
Had totaled 25 sacks entering his monster junior season.
They let him return 1 punt and he took it 44 yards to the house(wasn't his junior season, just showing that he just had that "it" or dominant star factor).
Then had the best pass rushing season in CFB history.
I don't care that he didn't win or anything. But if he or Suh couldn't get closer than they did, then I'm not sure it will ever happen.
Played for Alabama.
Had totaled 25 sacks entering his monster junior season.
They let him return 1 punt and he took it 44 yards to the house(wasn't his junior season, just showing that he just had that "it" or dominant star factor).
Then had the best pass rushing season in CFB history.
I don't care that he didn't win or anything. But if he or Suh couldn't get closer than they did, then I'm not sure it will ever happen.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 2:12 pm to ReauxlTide222
Yeah if that caliber of play doesn't even get you within shouting distance of the award, just forget about it. Smh.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 2:21 pm to TbirdSpur2010
It's sad to even think about what t would take.
Something like a really down QB/RB year and then a Derwin James or Honey Badger snagging 14 INTs and 12 sacks or something. Maybe add some return TDs.
Something like a really down QB/RB year and then a Derwin James or Honey Badger snagging 14 INTs and 12 sacks or something. Maybe add some return TDs.
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