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re: Quick Recap of LA HS divisional revamp
Posted on 3/8/13 at 12:15 pm to Methuselah
Posted on 3/8/13 at 12:15 pm to Methuselah
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One group can draw from a much larger population than the other group.
The potential population for a private school drops considerably when you ask someone to cut a check, be involved, not be a general frick up. Just because the geography stretches a little further doesn't mean the markets any bigger.
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Posted on 3/8/13 at 12:15 pm to chalmetteowl
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ask why shaw got nuked in 2002 and holy cross got probation in 2005...
Or West Monroe last year
Posted on 3/8/13 at 12:34 pm to Antonio Moss
yeah... shaw gave illegal financial aid, holy cross officials illegally showed up at a middle school basketball game and talked to students in chalmette's attendance zone, and west monroe helped facilitate the transfer of a 5 star olineman
Posted on 3/8/13 at 12:43 pm to chalmetteowl
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yeah... shaw gave illegal financial aid, holy cross officials illegally showed up at a middle school basketball game and talked to students in chalmette's attendance zone, and west monroe helped facilitate the transfer of a 5 star olineman
There is a HUGE reason that the public schools are not making serious allegations of recruiting against private schools. It's why they try to frame the argument as "attendance zones" which anyone who has taken statistics knows is bullshite.
Posted on 3/8/13 at 12:43 pm to TheGodfather
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i really cant understand how you can sit here and act like recruiting athletes doesnt go on.
of course it does
recruiting of smart kids happens too
and rich kids
and poor kids
and middle class kids
and kids that are siblings or children of alumni
and kids good at speech
and kids good at music
etc etc
once all the feeder spots are filled, if there are openings (there usually are) in the HS then the enrollment is opened up to outsiders. NO ONE is going to exclude a feeder school kid for an outsider. They have a business model and they follow it for a reason.
Where there is muddying the waters is those acting like all private schools are just like Curtis or ECA to fit their narrative. ECA and Curtis are based on a totally different business model. Curtis is a white flight school with a longstanding athletics priority. ECA is a football academy surrounded by classrooms.
ECA was built on illegal recruiting and misguided priorities. Multiple head coaches later they have somewhat moved away from their dirty origins but their priorities are still screwed up. Curtis has always toed the line when it comes to the LHSAA, they know that area schools would love to turn them in so they dont give them the chance. Where Curtis is unique is an almost cult like dedication to a common goal.
Posted on 3/8/13 at 12:46 pm to Choupique19
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Really? That's exactly what Catholic High School (BR) did two years ago and, poof, they are good again. Word was spreading a couple of years ago that Catholic was allowing about half of a BREC youth football team into school. Check the class of 2015 Recruiting lists and you'll find them.
so CHS opened their doors and accepted black kids that wanted to go there. Stunning
Posted on 3/8/13 at 12:50 pm to supatigah
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so CHS opened their doors and accepted black kids that wanted to go there. Stunning
Yeah, never mind that they increased their enrollment by about 75 students per class which allowed them to take more kids from less than ideal situations. And nevermind that the order that runs the school - the Brothers of the Sacred Heart - came about for the sole purpose of educating troubled and poor boys in Lyon, France.
Take a look at their mission statement.
This post was edited on 3/8/13 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 3/8/13 at 12:50 pm to Antonio Moss
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It's why they try to frame the argument as "attendance zones" which anyone who has taken statistics knows is bullshite.
Posted on 3/8/13 at 12:55 pm to chalmetteowl
It's bullshite because it doesn't matter if I'm pulling from 50,000 kids or 500,000, my ratio of elite athletes to average students is going to be the same so long as I'm not targeting elite athletes (i.e. recruiting).
Posted on 3/8/13 at 1:00 pm to Antonio Moss
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Unless there is recruiting, which no one has shown any evidence in support of, then the admission boundaries don't matter. It's statistics.
Say what? Can you expond upon that. Admission boundaries don't matter? I couldn't disagree more.
Posted on 3/8/13 at 1:06 pm to Antonio Moss
let's say the ratio is the same
50,000= 1,000 student school, 10 elite athletes
500,000= 10,000 student school, 100 elite athletes
now obviously no one in LA has 10,000 students, so they cull the nonathletic nonexceptional, but keep the 100 elite athletes (or whatever is enough to beat the first school every year)
50,000= 1,000 student school, 10 elite athletes
500,000= 10,000 student school, 100 elite athletes
now obviously no one in LA has 10,000 students, so they cull the nonathletic nonexceptional, but keep the 100 elite athletes (or whatever is enough to beat the first school every year)
Posted on 3/8/13 at 1:09 pm to Antonio Moss
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It's bullshite because it doesn't matter if I'm pulling from 50,000 kids or 500,000, my ratio of elite athletes to average students is going to be the same so long as I'm not targeting elite athletes (i.e. recruiting).
Ok. I see. I thought you were looking for a serious discussion. Carry on then.
Posted on 3/8/13 at 1:10 pm to chalmetteowl
the reality is the only was they make the masses happy is to split north and south. The academic and cultural differences are so stark that I dont think community school types in NORLA have the slightest clue about the wild west type landscape we see in school enrollments south of Bunkie.
Posted on 3/8/13 at 1:14 pm to Antonio Moss
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And nevermind that the order that runs the school - the Brothers of the Sacred Heart - came about for the sole purpose of educating troubled and poor boys in Lyon, France.
Take a look at their mission statement.
How convienent for Catholic High football that after 2 years of mediocre football, one year of missing the playoffs altogehter, that the Brothers that run the school decided that now would be a good time to help the needy.
I've read the mission statement as well. It's called the Bible. It wasn't written 2 years ago.
Posted on 3/8/13 at 1:18 pm to supatigah
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the reality is the only was they make the masses happy is to split north and south
that would be even worse than a private public split...
Posted on 3/8/13 at 1:22 pm to chalmetteowl
no shite 
Posted on 3/8/13 at 1:36 pm to Choupique19
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How convienent for Catholic High football that after 2 years of mediocre football, one year of missing the playoffs altogehter, that the Brothers that run the school decided that now would be a good time to help the needy.
Yeah. What a terrible thing for Catholic to do. Wrestling those kids away from such academic and athletic powerhouses like Glen Oaks and Istrouma in order to give them some actual opportunities in life. Heartless bastards.
Good thing this is all about the best interests of the kids.
Posted on 3/8/13 at 1:47 pm to TheGodfather
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it goes on at select and at non select school. i know it does. you know it does. why cant you just admit that?
Hell if it goes on everywhere then what is the big deal?
Id love to see proof, real proof, of recruiting at a rural select school.
Posted on 3/8/13 at 2:01 pm to LSU316
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Id love to see proof, real proof, of recruiting at a rural select school.
Didn't you know Notre Dame recruits everyone that goes there? That's why they always have so many absolute prototypes playing football and not a bunch of 5'9" coonasses and germans.
Posted on 3/8/13 at 2:06 pm to chalmetteowl
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let's say the ratio is the same
50,000= 1,000 student school, 10 elite athletes
500,000= 10,000 student school, 100 elite athletes
now obviously no one in LA has 10,000 students, so they cull the nonathletic nonexceptional, but keep the 100 elite athletes (or whatever is enough to beat the first school every year)
I was obviously referring to schools in the same enrollment classification. Of course there would be a difference if one school had an enormous enrollment advantage. That's why we have classifications.
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