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re: Prime Ali vs. Prime Mike Tyson
Posted on 11/25/25 at 5:27 pm to lepdagod
Posted on 11/25/25 at 5:27 pm to lepdagod
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Which one Tyson better than???
I'd say Norton. Norton got KO'd by heavy punchers in Cooney, Shavers and Foreman. He somehow managed to do well against classic boxers but the big punchers got to him and took him out.
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Posted on 11/25/25 at 5:35 pm to Hayekian serf
A lot of younger fans love to tear down athletes from the 80s and 90s. This narrative and double standard comparison for Tyson is about 15 years old and is part of that strange practice. Instead of comparing skill sets which is the norm when comparing boxers from different eras you’ll only get washed Tyson vs peak Ali. You’ll never see someone point out that Tyson KOd two guys who beat Ali because it doesn’t fit the narrative. Context is only allowed to flow one way in this narrative.
This post was edited on 11/25/25 at 5:38 pm
Posted on 11/25/25 at 5:48 pm to Madking
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You’ll never see someone point out that Tyson KOd two guys who beat Ali because it doesn’t fit the narrative. Context is only allowed to flow one way in this narrative.
Well the context in this scenario is Ali should have never been in the ring with a 20 year old Larry Holmes (he needed the money)at age 40something… same way a 40 year Larry Holmes shouldn’t have been in the ring with a 19 year old Mike Tyson
Posted on 11/25/25 at 6:11 pm to lepdagod
And…?
Posted on 11/25/25 at 6:12 pm to Madking
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And…?
I mean that’s why people who know boxing don’t point it out
Posted on 11/25/25 at 6:15 pm to lepdagod
My point in bringing those up is that talking points like that are used to dismiss actual comparisons but you’ll never see the pro Tyson talking points from the people who frame these narratives.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 6:33 pm to Rankest
Straight from the man himself. Ali was one of a kind
Posted on 11/25/25 at 6:58 pm to lepdagod
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He not at all: Muhammad Ali Joe Louis George Foreman Joe Frazier Lennox Lewis Larry Holmes Rocky Marciano Evander Holyfield Jack Johnson Ken Norton Which one Tyson better than???
My God, you are fricking retard. Prime Tyson beats everyone on that list. Don’t know about Ali, neither does anyone else.
And I saw Ali and the ones from the seventies fight.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 6:59 pm to lepdagod
[quote]Well the context in this scenario is Ali should have never been in the ring with a 20 year old Larry Holmes (he needed the money)at age 40something… same way a 40 year Larry Holmes shouldn’t have been in the ring with a 19 year old Mike Tyson[/quote
And Tyson knocked his arse out, easily. He didn’t do the same against Ali.
After the Rooney split, Tyson sucked. No disputing that. Along with getting with Don King, the king of frick ups.
And Tyson knocked his arse out, easily. He didn’t do the same against Ali.
After the Rooney split, Tyson sucked. No disputing that. Along with getting with Don King, the king of frick ups.
This post was edited on 11/25/25 at 7:06 pm
Posted on 11/25/25 at 7:03 pm to lepdagod
This is like saying the 70’s Steelers could beat the 2000’s Patriots.
Give me a fricking break.
Give me a fricking break.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 7:29 pm to Rankest
Ali unless Tyson got in one solid shot.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 7:35 pm to DemonKA3268
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This is like saying the 70’s Steelers could beat the 2000’s Patriots. Give me a fricking break.
That’s a terrible analogy.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 7:43 pm to Madking
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Tyson KOd two guys who beat Ali because it doesn’t fit the narrative. Context is only allowed to flow one way in this narrative.
Tyson KO'd Berbick and Holmes, 2 guys who beat an old, past his "Use By' date Ali.
That's comparing apples to oranges and it only fits your narrative.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 7:55 pm to Rankest
Ali stylistically would be a nightmare for Tyson.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 8:02 pm to gumbo2176
No it’s an example of the point I made about framing your narrative and the washed Tyson vs peak Ali double standard. You just proved the point I was making.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 8:07 pm to geauxpurple
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Ali unless Tyson got in one solid shot.
Any heavyweight can get taken out by another heavyweight's solid shot.
Just ask Anthony Johnson.
And most of Tyson's opponents received that " One solid shot" from him.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 8:27 pm to WonPercent
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Can't blame the guy that he didn't fight in an era loaded with heavyweight talent.
You are correct. But you can't judge him positively against the champions of the past of the same size who fought better competition.
Like someone said earlier, he fought and handful of good boxers and lost. His best win may be Pinklon Thomas. Ali, frazier, Foreman, Lyle, Shavers Norton would all smoke Pinklon before your beer got warm.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 8:30 pm to thegambler
Ali was a tactition in the ring. If he could survive Frazier he would do the same to Tyson..
Posted on 11/25/25 at 8:40 pm to Rankest
REALLY prime Ali, 1966-67 Ali, would first take Tyson apart mentally and then take him apart physically.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 8:41 pm to InkStainedWretch
Exactly.
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